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Old 04-07-2021, 05:09 PM   #71  
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Cool. You should probably not get a passport then if you’re worried. Go off grid and don’t travel just to be safe.
yep, that was the point.
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Amazing how many cautionary tales, short stories, etc are out there from years past that track right down this road, anyone seen the “Electric Dreams” series on Amazon, more specifically the episode titled “safe and sound”?!
i just started that show yesterday. Its really good. Only up to episode 3 though. Ill re-read this thread when i get to that one.
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3218373[/url]]Crew members are exempt.

“What types of crew are exempt from the requirements of the Order? What types of travel by crew are exempt from the requirements of the Order?Crew members on official duty assigned by the air carrier or operator that involves operation of aircraft, or the positioning of crew not operating the aircraft (i.e., on “deadhead” status), are exempt from the requirements of the Order provided their assignment is under an air carrier’s or operator’s occupational health and safety program.”
Not that I want crews to be required to be tested, but where’s “science” logic in this? Passengers are a threat but not the crews? Both are a threat or neither is.
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Not that I want crews to be required to be tested, but where’s “science” logic in this? Passengers are a threat but not the crews? Both are a threat or neither is.
You must not fly internationally because most destinations require in room quarantine and many covid testing prior to leaving the USA. China requires covid test upon arrival and room quarantine. Far more restrictive than flying domestic USA. Just exempt from covid test requirement upon return.
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tel:3218687]3218687]You[/url] must not fly internationally because most destinations require in room quarantine and many covid testing prior to leaving the USA. China requires covid test upon arrival and room quarantine. Far more restrictive than flying domestic USA. Just exempt from covid test requirement upon return.
Youre right, I don’t. Point taken.

I did a lot of international in a previous job and it was fun but I’m not interested any more. I haven’t paid any attention to the details about international room quarantines since I’m domestic only now. This further cements my decision not to fly international, though!
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Not that I want crews to be required to be tested, but where’s “science” logic in this? Passengers are a threat but not the crews? Both are a threat or neither is.
Pandemic (or other public health) measures are never a perfect system. Covid probably can't be eliminated, just controlled and eventually marginalized. It's now obvious that big spreading events are all related to big social events, as long as crew aren't attending weddings, bar mitzvahs, or going to church on international layovers it will be fine. Honestly, they probably shouldn't be going to nightclubs either.

If it's impractical to maintain airtight testing cycles on crew, then you can just accept the fact that they're essential workers.
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3218373[/url]]Crew members are exempt.

“What types of crew are exempt from the requirements of the Order? What types of travel by crew are exempt from the requirements of the Order?Crew members on official duty assigned by the air carrier or operator that involves operation of aircraft, or the positioning of crew not operating the aircraft (i.e., on “deadhead” status), are exempt from the requirements of the Order provided their assignment is under an air carrier’s or operator’s occupational health and safety program.”
Im not talking about crew. I’m talking about me taking a vacation with my family, or more importantly our bread and butter who will staycation rather than go through the hassle or risk not getting home as planned.
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3218296[/url]]Rather than just fatality rates, the possibility for vaccine-resistant strains coupled with the risks of long haul covid are my main reasons for wishing more people were comfortable being vaccinated, as well as the reason why I wouldn’t mind vaccine passports. It seems like some places will do it. I’m curious if airlines will allow us to restrict ourselves from being able to operate to certain destinations if crew members choose not to get vaccinated.
If someone is vaccinated then the people sitting next to them are not a threat. If the strain is vaccine resistant then what’s the point? Vaccines and the passports that go with them will make no difference. There is so much unsupported rationale that has no more purpose than to force compliance for compliance sake.
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If someone is vaccinated then the people sitting next to them are not a threat. If the strain is vaccine resistant then what’s the point? Vaccines and the passports that go with them will make no difference. There is so much unsupported rationale that has no more purpose than to force compliance for compliance sake.
Unless it is all just theater - you know, stuff that makes people feel better (like taking off your shoes and belts in a security line) rather than contribute to reducing risk in any real significant way.
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I’m confused by a lot the ‘Follow the Science’ crowd trumpets, but the Qatar flight that recently flew with fully vaccinated pax, crew, and everyone associated has to take the cake.
So even with everything right, as good as it gets, and the trolls STILL made everyone wear the stupid face mask.

WTF is up with that?
Almost like it’s just woke people virtue signaling.
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