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08-13-2019, 11:27 AM
#361
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,544
I used to work 10-11 days at a regional. So no, 14 ain’t that great. GS are fine, it’s the accompanying high LCW’s that exist with the need to cover more flying with less pilots. These cost days off per month. It’s the issue that reserve coverage is far below what’s needed so schedules can’t be tweaked. There are a lot of pilots who enjoy the nonstop flow of green, but there are also a lot who desire more schedule flexibility.
08-13-2019, 11:39 AM
#362
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,191
Originally Posted by Iceberg
I used to work 10-11 days at a regional.
Not doubting you but, is that normal? Not being from the RJ world but I have a hard time believing that model would survive.
For perspective could you elaborate.
Did you have any benefits?
Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?
You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?
Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
08-13-2019, 12:07 PM
#363
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 558
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Not doubting you but, is that normal? Not being from the RJ world but I have a hard time believing that model would survive.
For perspective could you elaborate.
Did you have any benefits?
Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?
You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?
Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
For perspective could you elaborate.
Did you have any benefits?
Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?
You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?
Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
08-13-2019, 12:09 PM
#364
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,544
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Not doubting you but, is that normal? Not being from the RJ world but I have a hard time believing that model would survive.
For perspective could you elaborate.
Did you have any benefits?
Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?
You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?
Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
For perspective could you elaborate.
Did you have any benefits?
Are you on your initial plane and position since being hired?
You flew RJ's, worked 10-11 days a month and made____$ ?
Flying for delta and working 14 days a month you make______$ ?
Did you have to resign your seniority number? Maybe it's not too late
Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
PBS awarded 18 work days here.
Yes, seniority plays a part in this.
Yes, I make more money here.
Yes, I resigned from former carrier, no I don’t have any desire to go back.
I can play your game too. Why don’t we negotiate a “Buck-cutout” into the next PWA so that Buck won’t have to worry about contract improvements. Buck up Buck, I’m still you’ll still find reasons to complain about all these dadgum new hires.
08-13-2019, 12:14 PM
#365
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 558
Originally Posted by Iceberg
Typical response. Probably more over dramatic “humor.”
Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
PBS awarded 18 work days here.
Yes, seniority plays a part in this.
Yes, I make more money here.
Yes, I resigned from former carrier, no I don’t have any desire to go back.
I can play your game too. Why don’t we negotiate a “Buck-cutout” into the next PWA so that Buck won’t have to worry about contract improvements. Buck up Buck, I’m still you’ll still find reasons to complain about all these dadgum new hires.
Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
PBS awarded 18 work days here.
Yes, seniority plays a part in this.
Yes, I make more money here.
Yes, I resigned from former carrier, no I don’t have any desire to go back.
I can play your game too. Why don’t we negotiate a “Buck-cutout” into the next PWA so that Buck won’t have to worry about contract improvements. Buck up Buck, I’m still you’ll still find reasons to complain about all these dadgum new hires.
You have no idea what sacrifices have been made in the last 20 yrs. I flew with 72 captains who had been furloughed 4 yrs under leadership 7.5 and then sat sideways for 7 yrs after that..that is why you are mocked for *****ing about working 14 days at Delta..suck it up.
CG
08-13-2019, 12:33 PM
#366
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 76
Can we agree that hopefully this summer was a statistical outlier and not an indication of how summers are expected to be going forward?
I’ve also flown with plenty of the furloughed, sat sideways crowd and everyone I’ve flown with lately agrees that this summer has had a relatively higher suck level compared to years past.
I’ve also flown with plenty of the furloughed, sat sideways crowd and everyone I’ve flown with lately agrees that this summer has had a relatively higher suck level compared to years past.
08-13-2019, 12:34 PM
#367
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,458
Originally Posted by tunes
12,203 GS, 150 IAs, 4 GSWC, nope, no staffing issue here.
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
GS are VOLUNTARY....to me , spot on
All any pilot can block in a year is 1000 hrs....that is 83 hours a month....so 3x4 day trips at 26 hrs per trip=72 hrs in 12 days...and throw in another 2 day...puts you at 14 days and 83 hours. You tell any military pilot that he only has to work 14 days a month and they would be ecstatic....(prolly the RJ guys too)
26 hours per 4 day trip is a bit generous in anything with less than 4 pilots in the cockpit. Aren't most domestic 4 day trips worth something in the low 20s?
Any narrow body capt that is worn out....it's kinda your choice...we do have positions called WB FO....they do the international flying...you know the 1 leg stuff over the pond...nap for 4-5 hours, fly 4-5 hours....10-14 hrs block with 1/2 being dozing for $$$$.
Even 75/76 trips are fairly benign.
Please do not promote this publicly, there are pilots senior to me who may read this!!
But don't let me put a damper on pilot's favorite past time....gotta run, phone's ringing.....ARCOS on the line offering my 8th GS.....
Greedy BA$$+4RD, were getting less than 1 GS per pilot per month and you are taking 8. I guess some of us will be forced into enjoying our days off. I think I'll use my time off to complain about working too much.
Damn...management makes me work to hard!!!!
All any pilot can block in a year is 1000 hrs....that is 83 hours a month....so 3x4 day trips at 26 hrs per trip=72 hrs in 12 days...and throw in another 2 day...puts you at 14 days and 83 hours. You tell any military pilot that he only has to work 14 days a month and they would be ecstatic....(prolly the RJ guys too)
26 hours per 4 day trip is a bit generous in anything with less than 4 pilots in the cockpit. Aren't most domestic 4 day trips worth something in the low 20s?
Any narrow body capt that is worn out....it's kinda your choice...we do have positions called WB FO....they do the international flying...you know the 1 leg stuff over the pond...nap for 4-5 hours, fly 4-5 hours....10-14 hrs block with 1/2 being dozing for $$$$.
Even 75/76 trips are fairly benign.
Please do not promote this publicly, there are pilots senior to me who may read this!!
But don't let me put a damper on pilot's favorite past time....gotta run, phone's ringing.....ARCOS on the line offering my 8th GS.....
Greedy BA$$+4RD, were getting less than 1 GS per pilot per month and you are taking 8. I guess some of us will be forced into enjoying our days off. I think I'll use my time off to complain about working too much. Damn...management makes me work to hard!!!!
Serious question: Does it seem odd that we were cheering on the A350 staffing disaster as a great pilot windfall, but the NB GS windfall is bad for pilots?
08-13-2019, 12:43 PM
#368
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,544
Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
You have no idea what sacrifices have been made in the last 20 yrs. I flew with 72 captains who had been furloughed 4 yrs under leadership 7.5 and then sat sideways for 7 yrs after that..that is why you are mocked for *****ing about working 14 days at Delta..suck it up.
CG
CG
I’ve worked a lot harder for a lot less at different jobs but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t expect improvements here. That’s why I’m here, I worked to get to a better place.
08-13-2019, 12:47 PM
#369
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,767
Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
You have no idea what sacrifices have been made in the last 20 yrs. I flew with 72 captains who had been furloughed 4 yrs under leadership 7.5 and then sat sideways for 7 yrs after that..that is why you are mocked for *****ing about working 14 days at Delta..suck it up.
CG
CG
When its contract time every pilot like hanging a star up on the tree. Some pilots would like more days off as lineholders is all. A middle ground might be a % of lines that are short overnight high credit trips that'll get pilots closer to old schedules they enjoyed.
We all came from different places, and we made the best of it. You guys know a lot of pilots that assume whatever they liked in a past life is stupid? You know a lot of pilots that get shamed into silence? Then what the hell are posts like that suppose to do?
08-13-2019, 12:48 PM
#370
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,191
Originally Posted by Iceberg
Typical response. Probably more over dramatic “humor.”
Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
PBS awarded 18 work days here.
Yes, seniority plays a part in this.
Yes, I make more money here.
Yes, I resigned from former carrier, no I don’t have any desire to go back.
I can play your game too. Why don’t we negotiate a “Buck-cutout” into the next PWA so that Buck won’t have to worry about contract improvements. Buck up Buck, I’m still you’ll still find reasons to complain about all these dadgum new hires.
Yes, I had benefits.
Yes, I’m in my first category.
PBS awarded 11 work days on RJ.
PBS awarded 18 work days here.
Yes, seniority plays a part in this.
Yes, I make more money here.
Yes, I resigned from former carrier, no I don’t have any desire to go back.
I can play your game too. Why don’t we negotiate a “Buck-cutout” into the next PWA so that Buck won’t have to worry about contract improvements. Buck up Buck, I’m still you’ll still find reasons to complain about all these dadgum new hires.
A little touchy?
Is that dreadful 18 day Delta schedule because you are on reserve, or is that actual trips flying?
OBTW....last month I had 0 days of work or on call....No vacation or sick
The month before that I only worked 3 days....No vacation
Life is blissful
I can play your game of just enough information to make this sound like freakin' Utopia.....whereas you like to play the opposite side of the table....it's all about how Delta makes your life suck.
Although, what I stated as my last 2 months is entirely true, it's not the whole story. The diff between you and me is I don't intentionally mislead are or parse the info to try to make a point. You on the other hand.....
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