I believe the contract says you need to be given 30 days notice before a mandatory displacement. So, I don't believe you can be shoved to UNA before the July bid period.

Can anyone else clarify if i am thinking correctly?

 

Any furlough number isn't set in stone. If someone wants to trade places with the junior pilot because that situation is so much better, then maybe we can create an LoA where you actually trade seniority numbers with them. Oh, no one would do that? Exactly.

 

There's no law of nature that says furloughs must come out of UNA. Historically (if I'm not mistaken), they have not. There'd be no need to swap seniority numbers, nor any other straw man argument. Just make UNA a bidable option for AE/VD/MD and let the chips fall where they might. Why is this such a crazy concept?

I'm certain there would be challenges, but I'm not sure the pros wouldn't outweigh cons for the pilot group.

 

Not gonna happen. Some senior pilots will have to work while some junior pilots get paid time off. Too bad so sad. That's just how it is right now. Trade seniority with the junior pilot if you want their deal.

 

Heck...I live in the east coast and if I have to commute to SEA or LAX I would in a heartbeat if is means I have a seat, regardless if people jr to me are UNA or not. When the flying comes back, without seatlock people can start moving around bases and planes again.

We should stop being entitled, when we signed the dotted line it was part of the deal.

 

Furloughs have not come from UNA...because UNA never happens. A bottom guy would be on the street immediately upon the completion of training for whoever is displacing him. The only reason UNA is happening now is due to the CARES act or those guys would be there already.

You can’t make it a biddable category because it’s not a category. UNA literally means “we have no aircraft for you to fly and no position for you”. As a senior guy, your seniority is allowing you to retrain into that junior guy’s position. The gov bailout money is allowing that UNA to stay an extra couple months. Unless you want an LOA allowing the company to furlough out of seniority order, then you’re not going to be able to choose to be UNA.

Why is that such a crazy concept?

 

Potentially a true scenario. But consider, the UNA folks will inevitably be themselves commuting to those bottom NYC categories too, probably after being furloughed. And, a good share probably just got done "doing their time" in those positions.

 

I appreciate the bravado, I really do. We knew what we were signing up for, yadda, yadda. Personally, I have no interest in this myself but I do enjoy thinking outside the box. If UNA were bidable on an MD, I think it would have some takers. Would you really prefer being displaced, going to training on a new airplane, commuting cross country, thence going back to training to reinstate to your previous category? Sure, you'd do it "if it means you have a seat", but that's not what is being discussed, and having or not having a seat isn't (as far as I can tell) related. I'm just saying if someone is going to sit with reserve guarantee pay for no commitment to the company - whether they are guaranteed furlough, likely furlough, possible furlough or safe - what damage is done in letting seniority factor into that equation? It just doesn't feel right? It sounds entitled? If that's enough motivation to shut down the discussion, then I guess I'll just keep pondering. My hunch is that having senior folks sitting in UNA would actually slow furloughs and possibly even reduce the total number of furloughs. I figured that would be a good thing.

There could also be a few folks who might be affected who would prefer to avoid UNA who otherwise couldn't...trying to make more $ than ALV before furlough, trying to finish consolidation, trying to get off probation, etc.

 

Displacement requires 30 days notice. So the bid needs to be published and you need to get a call or iCrew message by June 2 in order to be displaced for July. I have a hard time seeing them get this bid out that quickly.

 

I’d be shocked if they can post results in less than 2 weeks. I’ll set the over/under for 1200 5 June. Atl time of course....