Bring back the Maddog!

 

And I would say we could be out of business by next year. How's that for unsubstantiated doom-and-gloom?

I mean, it's possible right?

We are dealing with information/numbers in black and white from the company here -- or trying to. Of course things could change for the worse, but what makes you put a 50% probability on it?

 

Ed today in a company email:

“As part of the payroll protection we received under the CARES Act, we committed to no involuntary furloughs through September. Even after that date we hope to keep furloughs to a minimum, and avoid them entirely if possible. I think that is a real possibility. But it will take creativity and collaboration among all divisions to spread the reduced work available among as many people as possible, thereby protecting jobs. The actions we’re taking now and will be taking in the weeks to come will help us in that effort.”

ALPA C44 also today in an email:

Bottom Line
Any pilot hired after December 1, 2016 should anticipate a bid result of ATL 717 B UNA (unassigned) or NQAT (not qualified, awaiting training). We expect that management will make it official in the next few weeks and announce their intention to furlough as many as 2,500 pilots beginning October 1, 2020. If there is an opportunity to secure a job that will pay your bills for the next 12 to 24 months, we advise you to take it.

 

I suppose that is an indication of how productive ERP negotiations are going.

 

I suspect the company is saying "This is a great early-out plan, all the pilots will love it!" and the union is saying, "dude, you're smoking crack if you think anyone is going to leave with this early out".

In the end, it's up to the company to make a plan that makes pilots want to go, if they want the cost savings of having pilots go. Yes, it may cost more than getting the older flight attendants to go, but that's business. Some things cost more than other things.

 

Correct.

This from the Negotiating Committee dated today:

“The Negotiating Committee (NC) last met with management on Wednesday, May 13, to receive an update on the financial state of the Company and the fleet plan. We also received a preview of Enhanced Retirement and Voluntary Opt-Out programs. It appears that the Company has designed these programs with other employee groups in mind, but intends to offer them to pilots as well.

Recently, management has made statements inferring that there have been ongoing negotiations related to an early-out retirement plan, as well as other staffing related ideas to mitigate displacements and potential furloughs. We want to be clear, as outlined in Negotiators' Notepad 20-04, the NC has been ready to discuss creative voluntary measures since very early in this crisis and remain open to doing so. Only since the May 13 meeting has the Company indicated a willingness to listen to these ideas.

The NC, with help from other ALPA committees and E&FA, has been conducting an analysis of the costing assumptions, which are being used by management to base their staffing decisions on. This analysis will be used to further develop concepts that are voluntary and could have a measurable impact on displacements and overstaffing. The NC expects to engage with our management counterparts next week to discuss voluntary mitigation strategies that protect our PWA and allow Delta pilots to choose their participation level. There have been no discussions for involuntary flight time or wage reductions.”

 

What does C44 know that the others don't.

 

I don't think there are negotiations. If they wanted to save money, SILs are there. I'd expect/plan nothing from management. This is hardball.

 

I don’t think it’s their place to make this kind of statement. It should’ve come from the MEC if it holds any weight.

 

The MEC update today references a single meeting on May 13th with the company about ERPs for pilots. Doesn’t sound like another meeting is scheduled until next week. But I agree, negotiations seems like too strong of a word based on this pace.