‘moad’ 2020
05-26-2020 | 07:14 AM
#431
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From: window seat
Interesting take. However it looks past the historical trends towards seniority stove piping when things get bad. During the salad days its relatively common to see lots of "out of seniority" awards because we all have the luxury of sharpshooting it on our exact terms whenever we want. When things are bad and advancement slow, we tend to bid the best pay rates we can get as a geenral rule. That said, this MOAD will probably be transitional where you'll see a bit more stovepiping but not as strict as we'll see later.
05-26-2020 | 07:50 AM
#432
Line Holder
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From: Right seat of a big Boeing
I generally agree with this statement. Although it is very possible to see some A positions go relatively junior up in NY. The WB positions will definitely get the stove pipe treatment. Wondering how junior WB B will go in ATL?
05-26-2020 | 07:57 AM
#433
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From: A330 First Officer
Well if the mid bid analysis was correct it's going to go pretty senior. I'm in the upper 6,000's and the analysis said no AE awarded below seniority of 6763 on an AE so my AE requests got shot down for WB FO ATL. Now I did not bid the ER positions.
05-26-2020 | 11:11 AM
#434
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It is a sitcom in the making.
We used to have a kinda self-absorbed Cheif Pilot in ATL who published a newsletter called the "Coolaid Chronicle" which was published with such pride that it was mounted behind plexiglass in the bathrooms for your reading enjoyment. He would share his wisdom, about how he did things, his safety pointers and what not.
So one day I went to the bathroom to read and observed the front page was under the title "A Word from Captain Wing..." in the middle of a completely blank page was "me" ... now interested I pressed further into this perfect copy of the newletter and found this article on page 2.
"ALPA Defends Pilot"
"The company is investigating the sick call of Captain Smith who was featured in the local papers as having come in third at a celebrity pro-am golf tournament on a day that Captain Smith had called in sick." ... ALPA responds, "just think how Captain Smith would have played if he had been feeling better."
This spoof newsletter was perfect in formatting and printing. A huge witch hunt, involving hundred hours of interns watching videos to identify who had done the bathroom memo switcheroo, identified a crashpad of bored captains :-)
We used to have a kinda self-absorbed Cheif Pilot in ATL who published a newsletter called the "Coolaid Chronicle" which was published with such pride that it was mounted behind plexiglass in the bathrooms for your reading enjoyment. He would share his wisdom, about how he did things, his safety pointers and what not.
So one day I went to the bathroom to read and observed the front page was under the title "A Word from Captain Wing..." in the middle of a completely blank page was "me" ... now interested I pressed further into this perfect copy of the newletter and found this article on page 2.
"ALPA Defends Pilot"
"The company is investigating the sick call of Captain Smith who was featured in the local papers as having come in third at a celebrity pro-am golf tournament on a day that Captain Smith had called in sick." ... ALPA responds, "just think how Captain Smith would have played if he had been feeling better."
This spoof newsletter was perfect in formatting and printing. A huge witch hunt, involving hundred hours of interns watching videos to identify who had done the bathroom memo switcheroo, identified a crashpad of bored captains :-)
05-26-2020 | 12:29 PM
#436
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
It was a severe over-reaction. A "hey, that was funny, but don't do that again. How are our new hires doing? Training Dept doing a good job? Good, Good. Go have a great flight today Boss!" would have been all the briefing needed.
05-26-2020 | 12:34 PM
#437
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Bejeezus...and here I was on another thread suggesting a junior pilot to go talk to his CP..."after all their job is to help the pilots"
Hopefully they have gotten rid of all those "helpful" blokes.
05-26-2020 | 12:51 PM
#438
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
At the same time, one of my First Officers got crossed up on a probationary interview that he was having a hard time scheduling in NYC with his guard duty. I almost caught a flight to New York to demonstrate the finer points of our family's Irish heritage.
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05-26-2020 | 12:55 PM
#439
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From: Poodle Whisperer
This was also the same CP who was pushing to make a list of all the pilots who got on the Internet in flight. That died with his departure as well.
05-26-2020 | 02:57 PM
#440
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
I remember passing through ATL and thinking this is hilarious, maybe being based in ATL wouldn’t be too bad. Then I heard about the outcome and swore never to deal with the ATL CPO. NYC was a close second for a while on my list of bases I didn’t ever need be in or CPOs I wanted supervising me. There was this one guy at LGA... he’s gone now. Meanwhile whenever I go to the MSP CPO I get the who are you (a new-hire ???) look and after they realize I’m based there and have been longer than they were in the office, I get the “stop in more often” line along with the “you know this isn’t like going to the principles office.” I have to admit I don’t know their names, they changed within the last year, and they don’t know mine. Just the way I like it. That place is on an island and now that there’s no assistants, or in person checking required, or flying... they just look lonely and lost.
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