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Old 05-24-2020 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
This^^^

Sometimes leadership is delivering information that nobody wants to hear. The current populist party can’t stomach that, thus the crickets.

If you’re in the bottom half of the seniority list, you should be making preparations. Even more so in the blast zone of the bottom 3k. Nobody likes it but at least 44 is giving it to you straight, unlike this MEC admin that is composed of pretenders that can’t get a meeting with mgmt.

Will the furlough fodder notice that they were left un-represented by the populists? Will they vote for different candidates in the future? Who knows. I do know that you can’t spend 5 years poking your finger in the company’s eye and then suddenly expect them to take us as serious bargaining partners.

Executive inactive anyone? Plastic silverware? Chest thumping, feel good BS so they can feign tough and say they were fighting for you.

The last MEC town hall showcased an out of touch “chairman” (Ryan Schnitzel) who spent his time talking about shelf stable food, and a Negotiating Chairman (Chad Smith) who was unaware that pilots had positive space commuting options made available by the company, without his committee’s participation. He could/would have claimed it as a win had he only been aware. Amateur hour.

We have been rendered irrelevant by a bunch of soft, short term thinkers. They are still pretending that the Schnitzel furloughs aren’t happening rather than engaging on mitigation for our junior pilots. But yeah, 44 reps = surrender monkeys. Cool.
I think you’re out of touch with the current mood of the majority of the membership.

That said, 44 said nothing wrong. Just the brutal truth of the moment.

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Old 05-24-2020 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
I take this as a call out to Moak to come and save us with some “mutually beneficial engagement” with the company so we can mitigate those furloughs and get that pandemic contract approved!! #where’smoak...
Luckily I’m far enough away from the blast zone that this round isn’t going to affect me much. My rant was more to highlight the massive leadership vacuum we have right now. These are guys that I wouldn’t trust to get a peanut butter sandwich right, much less a billion dollar contract. They seem to confuse intransigence with fighting for their pilots.

Characterize that however you like.
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Old 05-24-2020 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
I think you’re out of touch with the current mood of the majority of the membership.

That said, 44 said nothing wrong. Just the brutal truth of the moment.
You’re probably right. The correct answer, as usual, is probably somewhere in the middle. I see the current team as unprepared and lacking any strategic vision beyond “this can’t be happening.” If the majority thinks they are doing a fine job, then I’m absolutely out of touch.

Delta is going to run their plan with or without us. If we’re not at the table (we’re not) then we are not influencing the outcome in favor of the pilot group.
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Old 05-24-2020 | 08:45 PM
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I wonder how/if the C Series delivery timeline and the 21/22 fleet plan will be affected by this fire:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflying.com/massive-fire-bombardier-aerospace/amp/

I'm not going to miss 2020.
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Old 05-25-2020 | 01:51 AM
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Bombardier is smart... “Hello insurance”
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Old 05-25-2020 | 05:39 AM
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My first thought was here we go with northern Ireland again. Economic terrorism with the No Brexiters.
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Old 05-25-2020 | 07:06 AM
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Latest news....police nabbed 3 boeing employees in aircraft plant fire

The trio are reportedly part of sales team engaged in 737 max negotiations with Delta Air Lines........😁
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Old 05-25-2020 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Stryder
I'm in the mid 10000 and I don't think it will reach us, yet. 10730 is the number of pilots they have to have to make the operation work. So if you look at the first 10730 in the list about 1000 of them won't be assigned a plane or seat. Medical leaves, mil leaves, instructors etc. So 11730 will probably be where the last seat is assigned. My guess.

BS said the UNA assignments will be between 12000-12100
I'm in that 11700 range. I could see it going either way.
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Old 05-25-2020 | 09:30 AM
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Any guesses as to bottom seniority number by base/seat? How low does NYC A stay? How about LAX? And of course mecca A and B? MSP, DTW, SLC. 14,000+ enquiring minds.
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Old 05-25-2020 | 10:20 AM
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Atlanta most junior
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