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05-20-2020 | 08:01 PM

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Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE

Doesn't the CARES act require no payrate decreases until October 1st? If you are put into UNA status and put in 717B pay isn't that a pay decrease? (at least for everyone except 717Bs)

You used two different terms, payrate and pay. Yes, I do believe the CARES act says no payrate decreases until October 1. The payrate for all categories remains unchanged. There is nothing in the Act that promises the same pay if you end up changing positions for what ever reason. Every month your pay is probably a different amount but your payrate is the same while in category. The CARES act does not promise you can keep the same pay. At least that's my interpretation.

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05-20-2020 | 08:05 PM

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Denny Crane

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Doesn't the contract allow them to furlough also?

Yes it does.........and I'm guessing they would have by now except the CARES act specifically says not until Oct. 1.

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Darn 240 secs!

05-21-2020 | 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChazzMMichaels

It is hard to keep up. I was pretty sure I heard they expect demand to be at 80% of 2019 levels in 2022. We had ~14,300 on the seniority list last summer, so 80% of that would be around 11,500. At that point ~1800 pilots will have retired (mando and typical early #'s), so if there are any furloughs, to be ready for 2023 they'd have to start bringing them all back pretty quickly at that point. And I think 80% in 2022 is conservative.

edit: They'd not only have to bring back all furloughs but start hiring in 2022 to account for the ~750 additional retirements before they get to summer 2023 if they expect additional growth.

BS stated that the projection for summer 2022 is 11500-12000 active pilots. If you account for retirements and pilots on an inactive status, we would need every pilot currently on the seniority list. There is no way this AE is for summer 2022 staffing. Either someone made a huge communication error or they did it on purpose to instill fear and doubt.

05-21-2020 | 04:55 AM

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Flownit

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Originally Posted by bsh932

...Either someone made a huge communication error or they did it on purpose to instill fear and doubt.

that second part, right there... thats it.

05-21-2020 | 05:46 AM

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D B Cooper

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But but why would they do that?. Ed said we need to trust each other. I thought we were in the circle of trust?

05-21-2020 | 05:48 AM

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But but why would they do that?. Ed said we need to trust each other. I thought we were in the circle of trust?

Someone hit us with a DeNiro Meet the Parents .gif
STAT......

05-21-2020 | 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by clear4approach

Someone hit us with a DeNiro Meet the Parents .gif
STAT......

https://tenor.com/P5mO.gif

05-21-2020 | 05:54 AM

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A for effort. B- for execution.

05-21-2020 | 06:55 AM

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One of the experts needs to weigh in with a quick tutorial...

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05-21-2020 | 07:02 AM

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ChazzMMichaels

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Originally Posted by bsh932

I agree. This AE would have us at only ~9300 active pilots in May 2022. They will have to start bringing UNAs back to real categories next May at the latest just to maintain ~10,100 active.