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#5511
A hefty 787 or top off 350/330 order expected EOY + 20 35K’s & another 20 options to be considered going into late 26’ will affect things too.
#5512
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The fleet is expected to grow in 2026 - getting a solid bump of A220’s for 26’ in fact. Of course, if the 7M10 gets and/or the A321 seats get certified logic points towards hiring going crazy.
A hefty 787 or top off 350/330 order expected EOY + 20 35K’s & another 20 options to be considered going into late 26’ will affect things too.
A hefty 787 or top off 350/330 order expected EOY + 20 35K’s & another 20 options to be considered going into late 26’ will affect things too.
-A35Ks are delayed until 2027, and some will replace 767s, so not all growth
-73m10 delayed UFN, still not certified, 73n pilots have not seen even started max training, which needs to be done by everyone before Entry to service
-we will get some 321Ns, those will replace some 757s and 320s as they have been.
-I was told recently the 321 lie flats will need to get a new seats as the current ones are not certifiable. I think we raided the engines from those planes due to P&W issues.
- aren’t the 220s still significantly delayed? will we get more than a dozen in 2026?
- a WB “top off” order would just be replacing the 60 or so 767s we have, moving existing pilots to a new plane and simplifying the fleet. No real growth.
seems like 500-750 new pilots would be in the ballpark.
#5513
My understanding is
-A35Ks are delayed until 2027, and some will replace 767s, so not all growth
-73m10 delayed UFN, still not certified, 73n pilots have not seen even started max training, which needs to be done by everyone before Entry to service
-we will get some 321Ns, those will replace some 757s and 320s as they have been.
-I was told recently the 321 lie flats will need to get a new seats as the current ones are not certifiable. I think we raided the engines from those planes due to P&W issues.
- aren’t the 220s still significantly delayed? will we get more than a dozen in 2026?
- a WB “top off” order would just be replacing the 60 or so 767s we have, moving existing pilots to a new plane and simplifying the fleet. No real growth.
seems like 500-750 new pilots would be in the ballpark.
-A35Ks are delayed until 2027, and some will replace 767s, so not all growth
-73m10 delayed UFN, still not certified, 73n pilots have not seen even started max training, which needs to be done by everyone before Entry to service
-we will get some 321Ns, those will replace some 757s and 320s as they have been.
-I was told recently the 321 lie flats will need to get a new seats as the current ones are not certifiable. I think we raided the engines from those planes due to P&W issues.
- aren’t the 220s still significantly delayed? will we get more than a dozen in 2026?
- a WB “top off” order would just be replacing the 60 or so 767s we have, moving existing pilots to a new plane and simplifying the fleet. No real growth.
seems like 500-750 new pilots would be in the ballpark.
7M10 expected to be certified in 2026. When it does, Delta has proven it can ramp up hiring instantly to meet needs. There will be a ton of growth here.
If you think they’re going to retire a 757 for every A321N that arrives then you’re correct - but they won’t. The 757’s will last into mid 2030’s.
Airbus has been able to double the production capacity of the 220. This fleet is pure growth until 717’s are parked (no time soon).
The 20 options would be pure growth - which is was the original 20 35K’s are.. pure growth. The 35K will also return DL to Singapore, India, middle-east, etc. and increasing capacity on SYD, JNB, ICN, LHR.. allowing a lot of 359’s to deployed elsewhere when those come.
A 50-60 787-10 order plus option will replace the 763’s and options for growth. This will cause massive growth in the WB paying fleet + capacity increase. Similar to how much of UA’s 787 order is majority replacement - as 2026 is the last year until United begins to retire the 767’s and older 777’s.
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No A35K is replacing a 767. 35K’s will release 359’s for more growth. The 764’s are not retiring anytime soon.
7M10 expected to be certified in 2026. When it does, Delta has proven it can ramp up hiring instantly to meet needs. There will be a ton of growth here.
If you think they’re going to retire a 757 for every A321N that arrives then you’re correct - but they won’t. The 757’s will last into mid 2030’s.
Airbus has been able to double the production capacity of the 220. This fleet is pure growth until 717’s are parked (no time soon).
The 20 options would be pure growth - which is was the original 20 35K’s are.. pure growth. The 35K will also return DL to Singapore, India, middle-east, etc. and increasing capacity on SYD, JNB, ICN, LHR.. allowing a lot of 359’s to deployed elsewhere when those come.
A 50-60 787-10 order plus option will replace the 763’s and options for growth. This will cause massive growth in the WB paying fleet + capacity increase. Similar to how much of UA’s 787 order is majority replacement - as 2026 is the last year until United begins to retire the 767’s and older 777’s.
7M10 expected to be certified in 2026. When it does, Delta has proven it can ramp up hiring instantly to meet needs. There will be a ton of growth here.
If you think they’re going to retire a 757 for every A321N that arrives then you’re correct - but they won’t. The 757’s will last into mid 2030’s.
Airbus has been able to double the production capacity of the 220. This fleet is pure growth until 717’s are parked (no time soon).
The 20 options would be pure growth - which is was the original 20 35K’s are.. pure growth. The 35K will also return DL to Singapore, India, middle-east, etc. and increasing capacity on SYD, JNB, ICN, LHR.. allowing a lot of 359’s to deployed elsewhere when those come.
A 50-60 787-10 order plus option will replace the 763’s and options for growth. This will cause massive growth in the WB paying fleet + capacity increase. Similar to how much of UA’s 787 order is majority replacement - as 2026 is the last year until United begins to retire the 767’s and older 777’s.
I have been told several times by multiple 767 sim instructors the -400 will not last much longer than the -300.
if a 350-1000 replaces a -900, which replaces a 764, which replaces a 763, which gets parked, isn’t that the same as the 35k replacing a 767.
the idea that aircraft we have not even ordered yet are already earmarked as “pure growth” is a funny concept. “We have not even decided if we will buy these, but if we do there is no way we use them to replace our 30 year old, outdated 767s”
737 pilots need specific MAX training. No line pilots have even started receiving this yet. That does not happen overnight.
I don’t know a ton about UA, but I know they are forecasting to hire 2,000 next year, that doesn’t sound like hiring for mostly replacements to me. It definitely seems like they are more growth focused than us.
I’m glad we have optimists, but I’m not seeing it. Time will tell.
Last edited by Gone Flying; 09-03-2025 at 05:02 PM.
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#5517
If only Flt Ops had recently put out a podcast about Fleet Strategy.
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...Episode-2.aspx
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...Episode-2.aspx
#5518
We’re gonna grow. I seriously doubt we only hired 500-750 again as we felt the strain this year and hiring 500 would only strain the operation more. The 10’s aren’t getting certified anytime soon. If we were truly desperate for more 73’s we would’ve swapped to the -9’s and taken delivery already. Plus when it finally does get certified it’ll be riddled with issues just like the 8/9 have been. The lie flats also aren’t coming anytime soon. They just failed certification again not long ago and that entire project is just as of a mess. 220’s seem to be the only reliable NB we will be able to take delivery of in 2026. 35k’s have already been delayed. I’m sure we’ll see another WB order but it probably won’t even be half as much growth as UA has strived for. Mostly replacing are very old fleet. 75’s are incredibly tired. 76’s aren’t far behind. The 764’s can last awhile longer but it’s such a niche fleet they’ll probably follow the last 763’s out the door to the boneyards. We currently don’t have a true 763 replacement nor a true 757 replacement. The NEO is great but it is no 75 replacement and fills a different part of the market. It be wise to order some XLR’s. But it seems that ship may have sailed for the time being.
#5519
If only Flt Ops had recently put out a podcast about Fleet Strategy.
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...Episode-2.aspx
https://deltaairlines.sharepoint.com...Episode-2.aspx
#5520
Yes. I'm almost certain APC conjecture is more factual with greater access to reliable inside info.
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