DL Hiring: New Process
03-31-2023, 01:54 PM
#3681
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Yeah, I can understand that perspective. The bottom line is that DL has plenty of qualified candidates that screening out even 5% doesn’t leave them short.
If it’s a haze, I don’t get it. If they have actual data that shows it decreases costs or increases revenue that would be interesting.
I didn’t prep well enough for the AON. I’ll take that spear.
If it’s a haze, I don’t get it. If they have actual data that shows it decreases costs or increases revenue that would be interesting.
I didn’t prep well enough for the AON. I’ll take that spear.
03-31-2023, 05:34 PM
#3682
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Originally Posted by CAFB 04-12
Yes, the AAL one is very similar. Delta has an audio/readback portion that it unique. The AAL personality test is more like a standard Hogan test, Delta's is slightly different. The dot counting, tunnel flying, and sudoku tests were the same.
03-31-2023, 05:51 PM
#3683
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I love that your response to “This guy literally said that because he's a 20 year military veteran, he doesn't think he should have to take the same tests everyone has to” was to disagree that the mil person said that, then agree that they should be exempt from the testing.
So, again, the poster in question was saying 20 years mil flying should suffice for the silly "pilot talent" ball on a see-saw tests. I agree.
The poster in question wasn't saying he is entitled to a job; even if, under the very standard of his common sense appeal, he were to "CLEP out" of the so called cog test, he would still have to do everything else in the application and interview process.
Personally, I don't think there is much if any value in the cog tests. But even if there is some loose correlation, 20 years mil flying clearly renders it unnecessary. Not because mil is necessarily better. But mil is very consistent. Likely far more than any lose correlation in a silly cog test.
As for the rest of the interview and process, no one is disputing its validity or justification. Someone could be a triple ace space shuttle test pilot demo team door gunner with a chest full of air medals and still be a jerk a company wouldn't want to deal with.
03-31-2023, 05:56 PM
#3684
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Not sure what your point is, as you are implying that you're exposing some huge conflict in what I said.
So, again, the poster in question was saying 20 years mil flying should suffice for the silly "pilot talent" ball on a see-saw tests. I agree.
The poster in question wasn't saying he is entitled to a job; even if, under the very standard of his common sense appeal, he were to "CLEP out" of the so called cog test, he would still have to do everything else in the application and interview process.
Personally, I don't think there is much if any value in the cog tests. But even if there is some loose correlation, 20 years mil flying clearly renders it unnecessary. Not because mil is necessarily better. But mil is very consistent. Likely far more than any lose correlation in a silly cog test.
As for the rest of the interview and process, no one is disputing its validity or justification. Someone could be a triple ace space shuttle test pilot demo team door gunner with a chest full of air medals and still be a jerk a company wouldn't want to deal with.
So, again, the poster in question was saying 20 years mil flying should suffice for the silly "pilot talent" ball on a see-saw tests. I agree.
The poster in question wasn't saying he is entitled to a job; even if, under the very standard of his common sense appeal, he were to "CLEP out" of the so called cog test, he would still have to do everything else in the application and interview process.
Personally, I don't think there is much if any value in the cog tests. But even if there is some loose correlation, 20 years mil flying clearly renders it unnecessary. Not because mil is necessarily better. But mil is very consistent. Likely far more than any lose correlation in a silly cog test.
As for the rest of the interview and process, no one is disputing its validity or justification. Someone could be a triple ace space shuttle test pilot demo team door gunner with a chest full of air medals and still be a jerk a company wouldn't want to deal with.
03-31-2023, 05:59 PM
#3685
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Originally Posted by OOfff
that’s a lot of words to say “military pilots should not be subject to the same tests as others.”
A test for the sole purpose of determining if one has the cognitive aptitude to fly? That's just silly.
03-31-2023, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Same interview, yes.
A test for the sole purpose of determining if one has the cognitive aptitude to fly? That's just silly.
A test for the sole purpose of determining if one has the cognitive aptitude to fly? That's just silly.
03-31-2023, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
so, they should not be subject to the same tests as other candidates.
Same app scoring criteria? Yep.
Same interview? Of course.
A test to see if they have "the right stuff"? LOL nah.
Nice try with the "I WANT THE TRUTH!" schtick though.
03-31-2023, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Same application? Yes.
Same app scoring criteria? Yep.
Same interview? Of course.
A test to see if they have "the right stuff"? LOL nah.
Nice try with the "I WANT THE TRUTH!" schtick though.
Same app scoring criteria? Yep.
Same interview? Of course.
A test to see if they have "the right stuff"? LOL nah.
Nice try with the "I WANT THE TRUTH!" schtick though.
weirdly, you haven’t mentioned that non-military candidates should be exempt from these tests.
03-31-2023, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
Yes, it was a straw man argument. One you continue to attempt to argue. If you must go there, the Endeavor pilots flowing actually do work for our parent company and have a long record flying our passengers with success. USAF dude does not. So it's an irrelevant comparison (straw man argument).
He was totally a d-bag. He straight up stated that he shouldn't have to go through the normal interview process because his long military record "speaks for itself". Sorry, not sorry, but yeah, that reflects poorly on all military officers by perpetuating the "better than you" top gun stereotype.
Now you're judging me and my cockpit culture based on some semi-anonymous message board posts? Wow, you're really on a roll. Step away from the computer, Captain. Go get some fresh air. This isn't real life.
He was totally a d-bag. He straight up stated that he shouldn't have to go through the normal interview process because his long military record "speaks for itself". Sorry, not sorry, but yeah, that reflects poorly on all military officers by perpetuating the "better than you" top gun stereotype.
Now you're judging me and my cockpit culture based on some semi-anonymous message board posts? Wow, you're really on a roll. Step away from the computer, Captain. Go get some fresh air. This isn't real life.
03-31-2023, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CAFB 04-12
Humility is a fine trait that I'm always working on for sure.
But also, I've got a 100% clean, spotless 20 year military record across 6 different aircraft that required military and civilian training to complete. That should be worth something.
But also, I've got a 100% clean, spotless 20 year military record across 6 different aircraft that required military and civilian training to complete. That should be worth something.
it is. You get to take the online test. What else do you want - a job offer because you were a military pilot? To think you are entitled to skip a test because you have a 20 yr military career is egotistical and exactly why you probably were screened out by the test.
i love the military and want the best for all veterans, but you need to earn the job like everyone else. And yes I believe propel and compass/endeavor flow earned the job - be it through different ways than OTS. Perhaps they just got lucky by being in the right place at the right time. Most of us have been on both ends of that stick. It is how the world rolls. Good for them and all those that have run the gauntlet through the traditional interview.
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