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Old 05-18-2025 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 501D22G
Are there really that many more sick calls for 5-day trips throughout the year (compared to 1-4 day)? I don't have the data, but, I'd offer that it is a little bit of recency bias.

* 5 day trips happen to use up a lot of sick time all at once...
* open time is chock full of dropped garbage pairings...
* 'tis the season for sick calls, as everyone knows...
* that MiCrew swipe left never felt so good....

And when it doesn't get covered (due to SC-a-palooza, etc), somebody, somewhere, ends up with a 5 day green

Ya, I'm sure it being May has some to do with it, but having sat reserve a bunch lately, it's not just May. But that's why I'd love to see the % of sick calls by trip length and probably by category. The overall point is that most many of our 5 day trips are crap trips and they tend to find themselves in open time. Rarely do they go out as 5-day GS, but many of them I wouldn't fly, even as a GS.

I just wish the micrew swipe left actually worked. It hasn't worked for me the last three times I've tried. Actually I hope they don't fix it by June or July so common sense can apply and we can use more medical professionals for our notes.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Ya, it's one of the reasons I'm going back to a line for the summer. Way too much stuff getting dropped (I'll be doing the same) and I mostly don't care to fly bid back trips. If they would just build trips worth keeping, so many wouldn't get dropped into open time lol. At least in my category, I don't know why they even build 5 day trips (or at all...we're the only Legacy that builds them domestically), they all seem to just get sicked out of and end up getting flown by reserves. I can't imagine why no one wants to fly that 16+ leg 5-day lol. I know that some commuters say they love them, but I wonder what the % of them that actually get flown by the bidder. One just dropped into open time this morning on a sick call, as did one yesterday....and a few days before.
Years ago when BS ran Crew Resources (sometime after the optimizer got turned upped to 11 in 2018) he made a great Captain Obvious observation in one of his monthly updates. Something like “our analysis has shown that rotations that go higher in PBS preferences remain intact during execution at a higher rate”. But it appears that Delta’s distaste of soft credit allergy in trip construction is just too strong a force. I’d love to see how much soft credit gets used because of these crappy trips. Of course as a credit surfer now, they do serve my purpose….but I’d just as soon fly decent trips and not monkey around with my schedule constantly.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jp8burner
Years ago when BS ran Crew Resources (sometime after the optimizer got turned upped to 11 in 2018) he made a great Captain Obvious observation in one of his monthly updates. Something like “our analysis has shown that rotations that go higher in PBS preferences remain intact during execution at a higher rate”. But it appears that Delta’s distaste of soft credit allergy in trip construction is just too strong a force. I’d love to see how much soft credit gets used because of these crappy trips. Of course as a credit surfer now, they do serve my purpose….but I’d just as soon fly decent trips and not monkey around with my schedule constantly.
Even as a local, looking what the 40% to 20% crowd gets as lines, makes me go WTF.

0500 show? 0730 release? Bleh.

0500 show for me means 0300 wake up, driving by 0335 at the latest if there's no construction (often super early reports have worse traffic because they do bridge work or lane closures outside of normal rush hour)

Then a redeye to fight the morning rush home. Its normally 2 hours from brake set, shutdown checklist to my door.

Now a redeye with a 1200 sign in day 1, not doing a full circadian swap is much better. But those don't seem to exist until CS starts breaking up 4 and 5 days into 2 and 3 days.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jp8burner
Years ago when BS ran Crew Resources (sometime after the optimizer got turned upped to 11 in 2018) he made a great Captain Obvious observation in one of his monthly updates. Something like “our analysis has shown that rotations that go higher in PBS preferences remain intact during execution at a higher rate”. But it appears that Delta’s distaste of soft credit allergy in trip construction is just too strong a force. I’d love to see how much soft credit gets used because of these crappy trips. Of course as a credit surfer now, they do serve my purpose….but I’d just as soon fly decent trips and not monkey around with my schedule constantly.

100% agree. Many of us make a living of credit surfing That soft credit is going to get spent either way and they should be able to nail down the cost and build trips appropriately. I'm sure someone has a run the numbers of pre-month cost vs. what it actually costs after the fact. Only thing I can think is one guys fiefdom is pre month credit costs and it's another guys problem as to the post month cost.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Even as a local, looking what the 40% to 20% crowd gets as lines, makes me go WTF.

0500 show? 0730 release? Bleh.

0500 show for me means 0300 wake up, driving by 0335 at the latest if there's no construction (often super early reports have worse traffic because they do bridge work or lane closures outside of normal rush hour)

Then a redeye to fight the morning rush home. Its normally 2 hours from brake set, shutdown checklist to my door.

Now a redeye with a 1200 sign in day 1, not doing a full circadian swap is much better. But those don't seem to exist until CS starts breaking up 4 and 5 days into 2 and 3 days.
What I’ve observed over decades in the airline business is that many pilots just want to have a known schedule, go to work, and then go home. I don’t try to understand it anymore.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jp8burner
Years ago when BS ran Crew Resources (sometime after the optimizer got turned upped to 11 in 2018) he made a great Captain Obvious observation in one of his monthly updates. Something like “our analysis has shown that rotations that go higher in PBS preferences remain intact during execution at a higher rate”. But it appears that Delta’s distaste of soft credit allergy in trip construction is just too strong a force. I’d love to see how much soft credit gets used because of these crappy trips. Of course as a credit surfer now, they do serve my purpose….but I’d just as soon fly decent trips and not monkey around with my schedule constantly.
I asked this exact question in a road show with CR years ago - "why do you create 5 day trips - that's all that ends up in open time".

The answer was, "it minimizes soft credit when we make the pairings." I asked - but if you have to break a 5 day up into several trips with DHs, doesn't that become inefficient? The round-about answer to that was, "we don't really look at credit once the trip is broken up, we only look at it when we make the pairings."
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Old 05-18-2025 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Even as a local, looking what the 40% to 20% crowd gets as lines, makes me go WTF.
The amount of trips reaching someone's last line "Award Pairings" in the top half of the reasons report astonishes me. Even if someone truly doesn't care about dates or times, you're throwing away money and efficiency.

But to each their own...more for us I guess...not complaining.
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Old 05-18-2025 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I asked this exact question in a road show with CR years ago - "why do you create 5 day trips - that's all that ends up in open time".

The answer was, "it minimizes soft credit when we make the pairings." I asked - but if you have to break a 5 day up into several trips with DHs, doesn't that become inefficient? The round-about answer to that was, "we don't really look at credit once the trip is broken up, we only look at it when we make the pairings."


This is my shocked face :|
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Old 05-18-2025 | 02:43 PM
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So where are they hiding the June short calls I can supposedly bid for?!?

-a seldom reserve bidder
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Old 05-18-2025 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
So where are they hiding the June short calls I can supposedly bid for?!?

-a seldom reserve bidder
never mind, found it. Talk about hunting for Easter eggs…
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