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Old 08-11-2025 | 09:03 AM
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I found the DCLC course quite good when I went through it nearly two years ago. It isn't strictly speaking a "new" thing unless there has been a change. My favorite part was the OCC tour where the guy kept telling us how Delta's biggest mistake was getting rid of the 777s. He really had a burr under his saddle about it.

But overall I don't remember any koolaid service. It was a good course in the sheer number of resources available to you, how to use them, and a view from some of the other departments we work with every day. The people who developed it really seemed to care about it being a valuable event.
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Old 08-11-2025 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SVCTA
I found the DCLC course quite good when I went through it nearly two years ago. It isn't strictly speaking a "new" thing unless there has been a change. My favorite part was the OCC tour where the guy kept telling us how Delta's biggest mistake was getting rid of the 777s. He really had a burr under his saddle about it.

But overall I don't remember any koolaid service. It was a good course in the sheer number of resources available to you, how to use them, and a view from some of the other departments we work with every day. The people who developed it really seemed to care about it being a valuable event.
I agree. I went through one of the first DCLC classes and found it useful as a refresher to the vast amount of resources you have available. Also getting what the other departments are actually do help you if you need it. I actually welcome this once every 5 years because of the refresher of the resources. I also don’t remember much koolaide being served above the “we want to be the best and give you the best resources” To the poster above that “can’t imagine doing this for the next 20 years”, seriously? It’s 8 days over the next 20 years.

I am “local” (about an hour drive on a good day) and I am not pleased about the VA Ave part. It really disappointing that our entire company and training facilities are in such a crappy place but that’s a different discussion. I don’t know how Delta can do anything about other than pressure the local gov to do something about it.
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Old 08-11-2025 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
Totally fair to withhold judgement till more is known. And in general I don’t have a problem with the first time upgrade “leadership” course. But looking at the horizon of doing this course every 5 years for 20+ years how much new info is going to be taught on “setting the tone.” If as a captain, in five years of this gig, you haven’t found a way to set a tone that your crew can perform in, a two day story time and company koolaide session is not going to help.

I find sims and line checks that naturally become tailored to me are very useful, I’m not hating on in person training. And I would probably dislike it less if it wasn’t going to force us all to travel to VA Ave, I think that’s the kick in the shorts too far for me.
Does seem like they could do this in each base. At least at the SLC center.

I did the ‘In Command’ the first time I upgraded. Nobody has come looking for me to attend another class since. Put this as someone’s good idea that will pass in a year or two…
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Old 08-11-2025 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Apejackson
I agree. I went through one of the first DCLC classes and found it useful as a refresher to the vast amount of resources you have available. Also getting what the other departments are actually do help you if you need it. I actually welcome this once every 5 years because of the refresher of the resources. I also don’t remember much koolaide being served above the “we want to be the best and give you the best resources” To the poster above that “can’t imagine doing this for the next 20 years”, seriously? It’s 8 days over the next 20 years.

I am “local” (about an hour drive on a good day) and I am not pleased about the VA Ave part. It really disappointing that our entire company and training facilities are in such a crappy place but that’s a different discussion. I don’t know how Delta can do anything about other than pressure the local gov to do something about it.
Again from an initial upgrade perspective, this is all well and good. But how much of this is going to change over the next 10-20-30 years that we need to be refreshed on it. Once you know what’s there, the QCQ modules, the 9 month sims, the 24 month line checks, the monthly topics of interest, the safety magazine, compliance with chuck videos, and the weekly updates pretty much keeps you updated. This class just feels redundant and a bit ego stroking to me. Mix in story time and the travel day (12 days total over 20 years to be more accurate for those that can’t drive) and I guess I’m just annoyed at the new unnecessary obligation.

ADG for all training days in the new contract just became that much more obvious I suppose.


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Old 08-11-2025 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
Again from an initial upgrade perspective, this is all well and good. But how much of this is going to change over the next 10-20-30 years that we need to be refreshed on it. Once you know what’s there, the QCQ modules, the 9 month sims, the 24 month line checks, the monthly topics of interest, the safety magazine, compliance with chuck videos, and the weekly updates pretty much keeps you updated. This class just feels redundant and a bit ego stroking to me. Mix in story time and the travel day (12 days total over 20 years to be more accurate for those that can’t drive) and I guess I’m just annoyed at the new unnecessary obligation.

ADG for all training days in the new contract just became that much more obvious I suppose.
ADG?? How about the greater of ADG or scheduled time I have to spend sitting there!
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Old 08-11-2025 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
ADG?? How about the greater of ADG or scheduled time I have to spend sitting there!
Now we are talking.
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Old 08-11-2025 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
Totally fair to withhold judgement till more is known. And in general I don’t have a problem with the first time upgrade “leadership” course. But looking at the horizon of doing this course every 5 years for 20+ years how much new info is going to be taught on “setting the tone.” If as a captain, in five years of this gig, you haven’t found a way to set a tone that your crew can perform in, a two day story time and company koolaide session is not going to help.

I find sims and line checks that naturally become tailored to me are very useful, I’m not hating on in person training. And I would probably dislike it less if it wasn’t going to force us all to travel to VA Ave, I think that’s the kick in the shorts too far for me.
20+ years as a Delta captain and your gripe is 8 days of training?
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Old 08-11-2025 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Apejackson
I agree. I went through one of the first DCLC classes…
Does anyone else pronounce it “Dick Lick”, or just me?
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Old 08-11-2025 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Grimes
Does anyone else pronounce it “Dick Lick”, or just me?
F*ck me. I don't even fly a plane that has it and I think you just poisoned me for when I do.
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Old 08-11-2025 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
I’ve stood behind EB in line on the Monday morning 0600 PBI-ATL flight more than once. He definitely lives down here but I can’t speak for exactly how often he makes the trip.
How would his 0800 backup flight get him to the boadroom at a reasonable time?
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