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10-28-2022 | 07:08 AM
#61
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It's a fair question, and I don't know about you personally but how may pilots do you know that are not flying high time every month? I have done nothing but TOEs for all but 200 of my hours on the A350. Most of the LCPs I know are in that same boat. When you talk about being 'least productive' it is not because of laziness, it is because of scheduling due to fleet makeup/utilization. There isn't one damned thing we as line pilots can do about THAT. However, after four and a half years of OEs, I am starting to just want to do a regular line trip now and again.
10-28-2022 | 07:55 AM
#62
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Strange how are productivity has run almost in lockstep with all the QOL improvements over the last 3 contracts. That would imply a contractual component. United is probably facing worse training issues then we are at the moment. As I mentioned in negotiations the fleet differences get accounted for and rationalized.
10-28-2022 | 08:08 AM
#63
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Strange how are productivity has run almost in lockstep with all the QOL improvements over the last 3 contracts. That would imply a contractual component. United is probably facing worse training issues then we are at the moment. As I mentioned in negotiations the fleet differences get accounted for and rationalized.
10-28-2022 | 08:43 AM
#64
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I certainly agree that it is not "either/or" and that different folks have different priorities, and that changes over the course of a career and life. Also, I have long contended that great pay by itself contributes to "QOL" for fairly obvious reasons. And of course, strong contractual work rules are a must. This has all been discussed countless times.
But you have to acknowledge that over the years, there has been a steady current of smug, "I must love my family more than you because I don't fly greenslips" messaging by some. I've read pilots dismissing good pay raises as "a few shekels" and such tripe. Now somehow that is gospel.
It isn't "either or" for either pay, or QOL.
But you have to acknowledge that over the years, there has been a steady current of smug, "I must love my family more than you because I don't fly greenslips" messaging by some. I've read pilots dismissing good pay raises as "a few shekels" and such tripe. Now somehow that is gospel.
It isn't "either or" for either pay, or QOL.
fixed it for ya
...but both are true and it isn't an either/or unless you are a management type trying to push the "priorities" agenda.
10-28-2022 | 08:52 AM
#67
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We have people smart enough to point out the issues to the mediator. It doesn’t move the bar much. We could probably trade better reserve day groupings and recovery for IOE dropped trips to get better across the board QOL changes but we seem to like a very capitalist contract instead of spreading the wealth.
10-28-2022 | 10:35 AM
#68
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I show up and fly my line as scheduled, as does everyone else, and it would be hard to squeeze much more out of me with these almost-max FDPs and short layovers. Our work rules, vacation and pay rates by and large aren’t much different from the other majors, so how are we are unproductive? I’m genuinely curious. Unless… by “world wide,” you’re comparing us to the overseas indentured servitude airlines.
10-28-2022 | 10:49 AM
#69
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Strange how are productivity has run almost in lockstep with all the QOL improvements over the last 3 contracts. That would imply a contractual component. United is probably facing worse training issues then we are at the moment. As I mentioned in negotiations the fleet differences get accounted for and rationalized.
10-28-2022 | 10:51 AM
#70
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or do you mean less productive than other majors
