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Old 02-04-2026 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
There is a pilot on the seniority list who turned 23 a day after starting. So again, those requirements are flexible. That person will be #1 on the seniority list.

Furthermore, 14 CFR 61.159 defines several avenues for achieving an R-ATP, not just an ATP.
1 person out of 17K+, I fail to see any relevance. Some people get lucky and some people get hired with 8245 TT and 4743 JPIC. It is what it is. I'm sure the median and mean are somewhere in between. I predict everyone will be profesional and the corporation will survive.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
I don’t get why people look back on RA’s and SD’s tenures with admiration. They were not pilot advocates and made a lot of poor decisions. RA’ backround was as Lorenzo’s union-busting attorney ffs. Each had a big boo-boo on their way out. RA with TA1.

and SD being complicit in/condoning retaliating against a whistleblower (which also eventually cost him his job leading the FAA). Oh, and he hired Jim Graham, a total POS, who in turn accelerated the cascade of worsening management in flight ops. Every current bad actor in flight ops is a part of the Graham hiring tree. He would have loved these letters. Enough said.


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Yup. I can't recall a single manager I thought was good. Some were more adequate than others.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Reality.

Every org has a tiny percentage that soils the bed for everyone else.
please enlighten us as to how X number of Delta pilots are fraudulently using their contractually allowed sick time? lets hear your definition of "abusing" this provision and how that standard applies to 800, 1000, 2000, of whatever the number actually is.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
I don’t get why people look back on RA’s and SD’s tenures with admiration. They were not pilot advocates and made a lot of poor decisions. RA’ backround was as Lorenzo’s union-busting attorney ffs. Each had a big boo-boo on their way out. RA with TA1.

and SD being complicit in/condoning retaliating against a whistleblower (which also eventually cost him his job leading the FAA). Oh, and he hired Jim Graham, a total POS, who in turn accelerated the cascade of worsening management in flight ops. Every current bad actor in flight ops is a part of the Graham hiring tree. He would have loved these letters. Enough said.


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RA pretty much created the airline you all enjoyed riding high on since 2014. TA1 was voted down by the group and subsequently we got TA2. It worked like it was supposed to.

SD ran a solid operation, you can't argue about that. Look at where we are at now. Overall, for our company, Grinstein, RA and SD did good for us.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
They're not flexible, you're looking at the wrong part. They're not for day 1 of indoc, they're for when you 44X. Nobody is under 23 operating a physical DL jet with less than 1500 hours. The only place you will run into anyone under 23 or under 1500 is in an initial qual sim.

We also hire FAs under 21 who legally can't sell alcohol in flight on day 1 of training. As long as they're 21 (meet the min requirements) by graduation day, they're good.
You don't have to have an unrestricted ATP to be released to the line.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Reality.

Every org has a tiny percentage that soils the bed for everyone else.
Say what now? I sure hope I and most other posters here are misinterpreting this post.

Otherwise, I hope you aren't talking about the pilot that had cancer or the other pilot that lost a parent and a child? Or if you think those pilots were using too much sick time then how about the pilot that hadn't called in sick in 14 months that got a letter?

Edit, this applies to everyone that doesn't think these letters were warranted:
Call your reps and ask for more details on this, I think you'll be even more blown away by what you hear.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Reality.

Every org has a tiny percentage that soils the bed for everyone else.
This is Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 07:29 PM
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Haven't been sick in several months, have used less than 30 hours of sick leave in the last year, still got the letter. Those silly geese.
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Old 02-04-2026 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Say what now? I sure hope I and most other posters here are misinterpreting this post.

Otherwise, I hope you aren't talking about the pilot that had cancer or the other pilot that lost a parent and a child? Or if you think those pilots were using too much sick time then how about the pilot that hadn't called in sick in 14 months that got a letter?

Edit, this applies to everyone that doesn't think these letters were warranted:
Call your reps and ask for more details on this, I think you'll be even more blown away by what you hear.
How could it possible be worse? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 02-05-2026 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by connollc
How could it possible be worse? Inquiring minds want to know.
Perhaps Delta’s blatant violation of multiple state family care laws that prohibit retaliation for utilizing said laws?

The clowns running flight ops have no shame, no clue, and no humanity. They might as well be AI bots trained to hate and harass pilots while dropping the ball on actually running the operation.
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