Delta Pilot Intimidation
02-03-2026 | 01:02 PM
#421
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Our published minimums are full ATP mins. I would need to see proof to believe DL hired below ATP mins. I just don’t believe it.
restricted ATP checkrides are exactly the same as a full ATP.
I know a few pilots who were issued restricted ATPs at 22yo with all the hours and experience required of a full ATP and just never got that restriction removed until the upgraded at their regional. If someone in that same situation never had to upgrade it would make sense they might still have that restriction even though they have long since turned 23.
02-03-2026 | 01:25 PM
#422
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3, 3 pilots born after 9/11. 2 the same month. Someone else talked about your RATP comments. You sound like the old cranky guy talking about up hill both ways.
02-03-2026 | 02:42 PM
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9/11 was over 24 years ago. over 75% of our seniority list was hired after that.
Our published minimums are full ATP mins. I would need to see proof to believe DL hired below ATP mins. I just don’t believe it.
restricted ATP checkrides are exactly the same as a full ATP.
I know a few pilots who were issued restricted ATPs at 22yo with all the hours and experience required of a full ATP and just never got that restriction removed until the upgraded at their regional. If someone in that same situation never had to upgrade it would make sense they might still have that restriction even though they have long since turned 23.
Our published minimums are full ATP mins. I would need to see proof to believe DL hired below ATP mins. I just don’t believe it.
restricted ATP checkrides are exactly the same as a full ATP.
I know a few pilots who were issued restricted ATPs at 22yo with all the hours and experience required of a full ATP and just never got that restriction removed until the upgraded at their regional. If someone in that same situation never had to upgrade it would make sense they might still have that restriction even though they have long since turned 23.
02-03-2026 | 02:50 PM
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using the fact someone was issued a restricted ATP as a barometer, rather than their actual qualifications, is dumb. And even then, the R-ATP checkride is no different than a non restricted ATP.
if they now meet the requirements of a full ATP, then what does it matter if they didn’t want to pay a DPE $200 to file the paperwork to remove the restriction.
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02-03-2026 | 03:13 PM
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here is one example
I think a couple of the military guys in my class didn’t have an ATP at all, only a commercial pilots license with/ ATP written. But they, like the R-ATP pilots mentioned above, met all ATP minimums when they were hired.
using the fact someone was issued a restricted ATP as a barometer, rather than their actual qualifications, is dumb. And even then, the R-ATP checkride is no different than a non restricted ATP.
if they now meet the requirements of a full ATP, then what does it matter if they didn’t want to pay a DPE $200 to file the paperwork to remove the restriction.
I think a couple of the military guys in my class didn’t have an ATP at all, only a commercial pilots license with/ ATP written. But they, like the R-ATP pilots mentioned above, met all ATP minimums when they were hired.
using the fact someone was issued a restricted ATP as a barometer, rather than their actual qualifications, is dumb. And even then, the R-ATP checkride is no different than a non restricted ATP.
if they now meet the requirements of a full ATP, then what does it matter if they didn’t want to pay a DPE $200 to file the paperwork to remove the restriction.
02-03-2026 | 03:18 PM
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I think a couple of the military guys in my class didn’t have an ATP at all, only a commercial pilots license with/ ATP written. But they, like the R-ATP pilots mentioned above, met all ATP minimums when they were hired.
using the fact someone was issued a restricted ATP as a barometer, rather than their actual qualifications, is dumb. And even then, the R-ATP checkride is no different than a non restricted ATP.
if they now meet the requirements of a full ATP, then what does it matter if they didn’t want to pay a DPE $200 to file the paperwork to remove the restriction.
using the fact someone was issued a restricted ATP as a barometer, rather than their actual qualifications, is dumb. And even then, the R-ATP checkride is no different than a non restricted ATP.
if they now meet the requirements of a full ATP, then what does it matter if they didn’t want to pay a DPE $200 to file the paperwork to remove the restriction.
02-03-2026 | 03:26 PM
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but for anyone who isn’t aware, like breezy said, there is no difference between a R-ATP and an ATP Except paperwork.
02-03-2026 | 03:40 PM
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if you can get the FSDO to do it. When I had mine removed they initially told me they would not do it and I had to go to a DPE and pay a DPE fee for them to do it. I ended up getting the FSDO to do it because I was there for another matter, but they would not take appointments for restriction removal when i did mine.
but for anyone who isn’t aware, like breezy said, there is no difference between a R-ATP and an ATP Except paperwork.
but for anyone who isn’t aware, like breezy said, there is no difference between a R-ATP and an ATP Except paperwork.
I think this is beside your point, but is a point (in terms of paperwork) worth mentioning. If the paperwork isn't done I mean.
02-03-2026 | 03:54 PM
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02-03-2026 | 04:12 PM
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if you can get the FSDO to do it. When I had mine removed they initially told me they would not do it and I had to go to a DPE and pay a DPE fee for them to do it. I ended up getting the FSDO to do it because I was there for another matter, but they would not take appointments for restriction removal when i did mine.
but for anyone who isn’t aware, like breezy said, there is no difference between a R-ATP and an ATP Except paperwork.
but for anyone who isn’t aware, like breezy said, there is no difference between a R-ATP and an ATP Except paperwork.
It took a bit of back and forth and they finally were like "Fine, we'll do it, but we're gonna train someone new on how to do it".
Worked out. But still have that stupid CL-65 is subject to PIC limitations stuck on my cert even with a CE-680 PIC type and a 737 one now.
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