Great post Jug.

 

Cmon man, there just gets to be a point where your credibility is totally shot. You have officially crossed that line with this post. Go sell your bologna somewhere else.

 

One thing we know for sure, 255 is not a hard cap.

So why should I believe 325 will be a hard cap?

 

Says you. Where is the dam survey already?

Btw I conducted a survey with the Delta pilots as well. They said it was in the best interest of all parties for you to give me all your money, your house and your car. There's no way you can dispute this truth, it was in my survey. And no you can't see it. It's for my eyes only. Just take me at my word, I would never mislead you or rip you off

 

A friggin MEN! Post of the day!!!!!!!!!

 

Just telling you what my rep said. Don't have anything in writing, perhaps your rep could provide it and you could post it?

 

I was wondering, how are the votes actually tallied and certified. I'm a no vote on this POS 12 and honestly don't trust ALPA at all.

I remember hearing it said, "It's not the voter who counts, it's the counter."

 

Yeah, I agree there's a lot in section 1 that needs taken care of, not just small-jet scope. I tend to focus on that because that's the segment of the industry I've seen most thus far. I'm interested in hearing more about the JV language in this T/A from the likes of georget, he seems to have a really good handle on that stuff.

True. The lessors are the easy part. I'm gaining a whole new respect for Jerry over at Skywest negotiating lucrative, bulletproof long-term contracts for his 50 seat flying 7 or 8 years ago. There's definitely some low-hanging fruit under the current contract. Comair still has 11 50-seaters (or thereabouts, not sure on the exact number now). Delta is in possession of a bankrupt Pinnacle Holdings and could likely get that contract terminated if they chose. There's nearly 140 there. Republic has 20-something ERJs on a fairly short-term contract; the termination language was just posted in another thread and its quite loose, mostly requiring Delta to provide sufficient notification. Point being, Delta could already be killing 50-seaters under the current contract (and have in fact been doing it with Comair and Mesa).

I'm not livid, I've tried to see the upside to this, as there are a number of posters (several of whom I've met in real life) who I really respect and know to be smart people (and scope hawks) who are pretty satisfied with this Section 1. Guys like 80kts, BuckingBar, ACL, johnson29, and yourself. And I get your guys' reasoning. Park far more 50s than the additional 76s you allow, offset the decreased ASMs with 717s at mainline, stem the DCI tide and turn it the other way. And honestly if I thought the current DCI model was sustainable I would agree with you. But it's not, it's a failing model, outsourcing is becoming unsustainable, and I don't think you should do anything to reverse that trend. In the absence of scope relief I believe Delta will do everything and anything to rid themselves of 50 seaters that are costing them money; the Mesa punt-to-JFK, termination, and subsequent lawsuit showed that. I believe you'll still get 717s as a lower-CASM replacement for terminated regional feed. But I can certainly see where reasonable people can differ on the what-if game.

Thanks for the good discussion.

 

Then what fear do you have in voting YES, if they'll just add them anyway?

 

Ballot Point. It is certified by many parties.