Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-29-2012 | 07:07 PM
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First, there is a natural protection against pump and dump. What kind of lessor or creditor is going to let you play that kind of a stupid game just to screw over your pilots? If they went down that road we have a lot more to worry about then scope.
Second, when does the company have to park 76 seaters under this TA?
Second, when does the company have to park 76 seaters under this TA?
When does the company have to park 76 seaters under our current PWA? How many block hours can DCI fly under our current PWA? How much does DCI have to cut back if mainline shrinks under our current PWA? How's that different under our new TA?
As to your first question, I thought you were the spreadsheet guy. How has Delta's active fleet bounced around so much with few deliveries? Any fully depreciated airplanes moving from desert storage to active and back again?
Next data point...how many 737-900 and MD-90 deliveries are coming in the next 3 years? (hint...there's 60/25 for a total of 85). How take out 17 DC-9 aircraft and what is our fleet count? How many a/c do we have to have on board to convert all 255 to 76 seat jets? You like mathmatical possiblilites (not probablilities) so how does that model work out?
So I'm calling you on trying to take both sides of this argument. You try to develop a spreadsheet with 300 180 seat jets to show what management could do under a new contract, then try to deny what management could do with actual aircraft on order under our current contract. I thought preacher's kids were taught better than that!
Oh, I'm developing a spreadsheet that will show 30 A380's taking out the whole MD-88 fleet..same number of seats and all. NewK will look cool in one of those.
05-29-2012 | 07:09 PM
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If anyone is looking for some real fighting, The Hatfields and McCoys is on the History Channel. They make Carl and Slowplay look like best friends.
05-29-2012 | 07:09 PM
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Why does the "parrot" scene from Monty Python pop into my head when I see the T/A?
05-29-2012 | 07:13 PM
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Completely agree. It's convenient to accept something like this from the company as fact and yet not believe anything that comes from the MEC or NC. Campbell is playing to Wall Street and the other employee groups. Clearly this contract is costing the company money and putting money in our pocket. But I think you know this. Ask yourself why they would risk our No vote on this (and possibly endanger their biz plan going forward) if what they are offering costs them NOTHING???? Do you really beieve this???
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05-29-2012 | 07:15 PM
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So 88 717's coming in are offset by 20 retiring DC-9's(if in fact they do go) and MD-88's??? You haven't been paying attention. DCI is shrinking by about 15-17% 200 50 seaters are going away. They will be replaced by 70 76 seaters and the 717's. Oh and they are targeting about 300 early retires. They will spread it around to multiple categories (I suspect) and stop near that number and when ONE of the categories reaches a certain level. The truth doesn't sound near as spectactular though...
You haven't done the "ratio" math. So, you are just parrotting the party line.
05-29-2012 | 07:16 PM
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Hint..it's after they deliver planes to mainline. SWA has already published the delivery schedule. With that schedule they can't access the last of the 76 seaters until the end of 2015....
05-29-2012 | 07:17 PM
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05-29-2012 | 07:18 PM
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Just watched "Frontline: Flying Cheap" on Netflix. A good thing to watch before voting on this RJ swap deal.
05-29-2012 | 07:19 PM
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05-29-2012 | 07:22 PM
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First of all, there is no requirement for Delta management to even measure the ratio until mid 2014. Then if it turns out Delta has exceeded the RJ ratio, they have until January 2015 to "execute their plan" to bring the RJ block hour ratio back into compliance.
I know that wasn't your question, but the measuring metric and timeline is important. Your question was one of penalty. There is NONE. There is only a requirement to...and I quote: "...execute their plan" to bring the RJ block hour ratio back into complicance. Our only option at that point would be to file a grievance. Then the grievance will be scheduled and eventually heard by an arbitrator. Then the arbitrator will park us for 15 to 20 years simply because somebody said they can. Then there's a possibility that the arbitrator will rule that Delta must put the RJ block hour ratio back into complicance...or he could decide that "ratio" didn't mean what DALPA thought it meant and find for the company.
Carl
I know that wasn't your question, but the measuring metric and timeline is important. Your question was one of penalty. There is NONE. There is only a requirement to...and I quote: "...execute their plan" to bring the RJ block hour ratio back into complicance. Our only option at that point would be to file a grievance. Then the grievance will be scheduled and eventually heard by an arbitrator. Then the arbitrator will park us for 15 to 20 years simply because somebody said they can. Then there's a possibility that the arbitrator will rule that Delta must put the RJ block hour ratio back into complicance...or he could decide that "ratio" didn't mean what DALPA thought it meant and find for the company.
Carl
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