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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1251520)
OK.......:confused:
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1251523)
RIP Neil Armstrong. The true definition of a beyond world class pilot and astounding humility.
The only thing that would have made NASA more awesome back in the 1960s? College cheerleaders. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1251488)
Ben Rich, in his book about running Skunkworks for Lockheed said after Jimmy Carter was briefed in on stealth he realized the B-1 was already obsolete. Reagan made Carter look soft for cancelling the B-1. However the real difference was that Carter had a Top Secret clearance and Reagan did not. Carter could not talk about the future he knew was coming.
Carter cancelled the B-1 because it cost too much. The B-2 cost to much as well, which is why today we have 60 B-1's in the inventory and only 20 B-2's. If Carter were president during similar years of the B-2, I'm sure he would have cancelled that as well. His public statements were that he favored ICBMs, SLBMs and ALCMs launched by B-52s over B-1s. He did authorize the early research & development dollars in 1978 to begin the Advanced Technology Bomber project. The original B-2 buy was 132, then reduced to 75, and finally 21 was the final purchase. With one crashed at Guam on takeoff, we're down to 20. Carter was weak on defense despite his initial support for the ATB. Recall Desert One among other things. Here's a piece of trivia for you: was the B-2 designed with flaps? Yes. Do they use them? No, they've been welded shut. Someone eventually figured out that a flying wing can fly slow enough at touchdown by itself. I've landed no-flap in the B-1 before, and our approach speed was about 200 kts @ 225,000 lbs. I've flown in the B-2 simulator and can tell you from a pilot's perspective, the B-1 was much more maneuverable and fun to fly. The B-2 is very difficult to Air Refuel because of its low drag design, so it's easy to overrun the tanker during closure. I do wish we had more than 20 B-2s because it is such a capable weapon system. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1251480)
God I hope so, but it's hard to tell sometimes. Some of them were not born when the first RJ's came on line. I've not seen too many B1's around lately, and I heard it was the only airplane in the inventory -not- to fly in Desert Storm.
I had some AF buds who flew it, but they said it was always broke and half their missions cancelled. One guy I whet through UPT with was one of the guys who punched out of one about 25 years ago...after turning it to just miss a school or hospital or something, on a low level training run out west. I heard it was a real POS, after Jimmy Carter got done cutting the budget for it. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1251499)
And in 1981, when Reagan fired all the ATC guys, and then when Bush 1 looked the other way, while his best buddy and campaign contributer, Frank Lorenzo, took Continental and Eastern apart, taught me mine...
Fking Politicians. I hate them all, especially the ones who never served. The best bumper sticker I've seen said, Don't Re Elect ANYONE! With 42,000 registered lobbiests in DC, is it any wonder we have the best Government Money Can Buy? |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1251517)
Nice, if you have a long, dry runway! |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1251523)
I wanted to make this separate from the political-ish mumbo jumbo:
RIP Neil Armstrong. The true definition of a beyond world class pilot and astounding humility. http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Bost...NG-1520701.jpg |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1251474)
Besides, the Blue Angels had to cut up their F-14s when they went to F-16s. So the Australians couldn't use them as spares. Blue Angels: Historical Aircraft - 60+ Years of Aviation Excellence Those later pics of F-16s with "Navy" on them are "Aggressors", either at Fallon, Nellis, or Wherever Top Gun is now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggressor_squadron
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1251484)
F-15s = McDonnell Douglas
F-18s = McDonnell Douglas F-117s = McDonnell Douglas MD-88s = McDonnell Douglas MD-11 = McDonnell Douglas L1011 = McDonnell Douglas P-51 = McDonnell Douglas B-17 = McDonnell Douglas. Read it and weep Bar, read it and weep. P-51 = North American Just sayin. |
That bait dangled for a long time before the hook was set.
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
(Post 1251544)
I've landed no-flap in the B-1 before, and our approach speed was about 200 kts @ 225,000 lbs.
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