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Boomer 08-25-2012 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1251520)
OK.......:confused:

The (West) Germans flew 104s when they got their Luftwaffe running again in the 1950s. A lot of guys bailed out and got killed.

Boomer 08-25-2012 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1251523)
RIP Neil Armstrong. The true definition of a beyond world class pilot and astounding humility.

Those guys were, and still are, incredible.

The only thing that would have made NASA more awesome back in the 1960s? College cheerleaders.

Elvis90 08-26-2012 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1251488)
Ben Rich, in his book about running Skunkworks for Lockheed said after Jimmy Carter was briefed in on stealth he realized the B-1 was already obsolete. Reagan made Carter look soft for cancelling the B-1. However the real difference was that Carter had a Top Secret clearance and Reagan did not. Carter could not talk about the future he knew was coming.

Oh Bar--Ben Rich worked for Lockheed, the B-1 was a Rockwell International design. It may have been his opinion that it was obsolete, but he was incorrect. It still has the ability today to fly below some surface to air missile defenses. The restriction making it a nuclear-only bomber was the real mistake; today it's conventional-only with numerous precision conventional weapons and a defensive avionics suite that's pretty impressive.

Carter cancelled the B-1 because it cost too much. The B-2 cost to much as well, which is why today we have 60 B-1's in the inventory and only 20 B-2's. If Carter were president during similar years of the B-2, I'm sure he would have cancelled that as well.

His public statements were that he favored ICBMs, SLBMs and ALCMs launched by B-52s over B-1s. He did authorize the early research & development dollars in 1978 to begin the Advanced Technology Bomber project.

The original B-2 buy was 132, then reduced to 75, and finally 21 was the final purchase. With one crashed at Guam on takeoff, we're down to 20.

Carter was weak on defense despite his initial support for the ATB. Recall Desert One among other things.

Here's a piece of trivia for you: was the B-2 designed with flaps? Yes. Do they use them? No, they've been welded shut. Someone eventually figured out that a flying wing can fly slow enough at touchdown by itself. I've landed no-flap in the B-1 before, and our approach speed was about 200 kts @ 225,000 lbs.

I've flown in the B-2 simulator and can tell you from a pilot's perspective, the B-1 was much more maneuverable and fun to fly. The B-2 is very difficult to Air Refuel because of its low drag design, so it's easy to overrun the tanker during closure.

I do wish we had more than 20 B-2s because it is such a capable weapon system.

Elvis90 08-26-2012 01:40 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1251480)
God I hope so, but it's hard to tell sometimes. Some of them were not born when the first RJ's came on line. I've not seen too many B1's around lately, and I heard it was the only airplane in the inventory -not- to fly in Desert Storm.

I had some AF buds who flew it, but they said it was always broke and half their missions cancelled. One guy I whet through UPT with was one of the guys who punched out of one about 25 years ago...after turning it to just miss a school or hospital or something, on a low level training run out west.

I heard it was a real POS, after Jimmy Carter got done cutting the budget for it.

As one who has got about 1,100 hours in it, I will attest that the B-1 is not a POS. While deployed overseas it maintained a 97% mission capable rate.

Elvis90 08-26-2012 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1251499)
And in 1981, when Reagan fired all the ATC guys, and then when Bush 1 looked the other way, while his best buddy and campaign contributer, Frank Lorenzo, took Continental and Eastern apart, taught me mine...

Fking Politicians. I hate them all, especially the ones who never served.

The best bumper sticker I've seen said,

Don't Re Elect ANYONE!

With 42,000 registered lobbiests in DC, is it any wonder we have the best Government Money Can Buy?

Hey Timbo, you should run for Congress and fix these things. Be like Chip Cravaack, the former NWA Captain who beat 18-term Congressman James Oberstar in 2010 in Minnesota.

N9373M 08-26-2012 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1251517)

Nice, if you have a long, dry runway!

One of my CFII's flew 104s for the Gemermans. He told me, if you lost the engine, look over the canopy rail- straight down- that's where you'd be landing. He also told me about getting 'parchuted' candy from the C54s (?) on short final during the Berlin air lift. Great guy.

forgot to bid 08-26-2012 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1251523)
I wanted to make this separate from the political-ish mumbo jumbo:

RIP Neil Armstrong. The true definition of a beyond world class pilot and astounding humility.


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crewdawg52 08-26-2012 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1251474)


Besides, the Blue Angels had to cut up their F-14s when they went to F-16s. So the Australians couldn't use them as spares.

Sorry, but the Blue Angles never flew theF-14, or F-16. They went from the F-4, to the A-4, to the F-18.

Blue Angels: Historical Aircraft - 60+ Years of Aviation Excellence

Those later pics of F-16s with "Navy" on them are "Aggressors", either at Fallon, Nellis, or Wherever Top Gun is now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggressor_squadron


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1251484)
F-15s = McDonnell Douglas
F-18s = McDonnell Douglas
F-117s = McDonnell Douglas
MD-88s = McDonnell Douglas
MD-11 = McDonnell Douglas
L1011 = McDonnell Douglas
P-51 = McDonnell Douglas
B-17 = McDonnell Douglas.


Read it and weep Bar, read it and weep.

B-17 = Boeing
P-51 = North American

Just sayin.

CheapTrick 08-26-2012 04:41 AM

That bait dangled for a long time before the hook was set.

Herkflyr 08-26-2012 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1251544)
I've landed no-flap in the B-1 before, and our approach speed was about 200 kts @ 225,000 lbs.

I remember a few years ago a B-1 landed at FRA on one of their 13,123' runways because the wings were stuck in a swept back position. Was that you perhaps?


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