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Check Essential 06-15-2013 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1428801)
It got that severe of damage on approach into ATL and diverted to GSO?? Something doesn't sound right about that story.

Happened up around the north arrival corner post I think. ODF maybe. That line of weather was oriented east-west and moving straight south. Very unusual and very powerful.
They would have had to go back through it to get to Hartsfield.

Elliot 06-15-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1428757)
Second hand info from someone who saw SD at 31 flavors: We are not losing as many 757s as initially thought. Thats all the details he gave me. Anyone else heard this?


Blasphemy!!!


Doug, don't you know there'll be no "positive" rumors on this forum!?:D

GJ

Carl Spackler 06-15-2013 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1428797)
Mechanic came up to the cockpit last night with a story.
We came this close to losing a Mad Dog two nights ago on approach to ATL.
Severe hail damage. Shattered both outer windshields. Destroyed the leading edge devices. Radome gone. Horizontal and vertical stabs shredded. Huge dents all over the fuselage. etc. etc.
Very, very bad.
Airplane diverted to GSO I think he said. Mechanics who were sent to assess the thing said they are surprised that it landed. Said it will be repaired but its going to take a long time.
Also some very interesting details about ATC's role in putting the crew into that storm.

We're going to be hearing a lot more about this one.

ATC can never "put" you in a storm. You can willingly fly into one, but they can't put you into one. I've declared an emergency, ignored an ATC clearance, and flew around weather as I saw fit at least a half dozen times in my career.

Nobody likes declaring an emergency, but you have the authority...and you must use it. Another great lesson for us because it didn't cost lives.

Carl

Elliot 06-15-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1428768)
Given the huge displacement drive ... crew resources apparently does not find that story credible. IMHO some of these displacements are part of the FTDT changes ....

Also, there is positive correlation between the Company's bad faith on JV scope and staffing reductions.




Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1428767)
Sounds great but is anyone else worried that with all this growth we're about to experience* and that we're only down like 1000 pilots in 3 years, which is more retirements than we have coming up in the next 3-4 years, and there's no money in hiring pilots, that we might eventually have to hire some pilots to slightly reduce the rate of shrinking the number of pilots? Capacity restraint, leveraging synnergies, yielding to LCC's to preserve...yields? At least the new peak hour hump is in March. So once we get past that we're home free for another year. :cool:



Ahhhhhhhhhh, <picture person drinking a nice cold beer on a hot day> that's refreshing......more doom & gloom.

Of course the company couldn't be "behind", and have made a mistake by "not" hiring pilots and are just now putting forth smaller AE's to staff the smaller equipment as they need for summer flying. (Read: So they don't have to cancel domestic trips for lack of crews.:rolleyes:)

GJ

P.S. Continue the "sky is falling, we'll never hire, never get a raise, never make it to the left seat" banter. I prefer to maintain my excitement for the fall when we "do" hire, and for the future of Delta Air Lines and it's pilots.

P.P.S. Bar, when were we going to furlough again?:cool:

Elliot 06-15-2013 09:14 AM

ALCON,

Taking the youngster (4.5 yrs old) to the water park. Ready for incoming, but won't be able to respond until later.

All have a nice day.

GJ

APCLurker 06-15-2013 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1428816)
Of course the company couldn't be "behind", and have made a mistake by "not" hiring pilots and are just now putting forth smaller AE's to staff the smaller equipment as they need for summer flying. (Read: So they don't have to cancel domestic trips for lack of crews.:rolleyes:)


I'm curious: How are the many displaced pilots that are going to need training due to this last AE going to cover said summer flying when they'll be sitting in the schoolhouse? It is already the middle of June (and if I'm not mistaken, this was for July conversion at earliest). Anybody training for a new position may make it to the line by mid/late-August...

Additionally: did not the AE/management state that this AE was to set up for Fall/Winter flying?

APCLurker 06-15-2013 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1428797)
Also some very interesting details about ATC's role in putting the crew into that storm.

We're going to be hearing a lot more about this one.

You gave lot's of details on damage and the diversion, why did you stop regarding ATC's supposed role?

Lets hear the details.

johnso29 06-15-2013 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1428830)
I'm curious: How are the many displaced pilots that are going to need training due to this last AE going to cover said summer flying when they'll be sitting in the schoolhouse? It is already the middle of June (and if I'm not mistaken, this was for July conversion at earliest). Anybody training for a new position may make it to the line by mid/late-August...

Additionally: did not the AE/management state that this AE was to set up for Fall/Winter flying?

It's not to cover this summer. That ship sailed a while ago. It's to cover the NB peak flying in Mar 2014. March will now be the busiest month for NB domestic flying. At least in 2014.

NERD 06-15-2013 10:32 AM

Remember the -400 out of Dtw?



Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1428813)
ATC can never "put" you in a storm. You can willingly fly into one, but they can't put you into one. I've declared an emergency, ignored an ATC clearance, and flew around weather as I saw fit at least a half dozen times in my career.

Nobody likes declaring an emergency, but you have the authority...and you must use it. Another great lesson for us because it didn't cost lives.

Carl


Carl Spackler 06-15-2013 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1428849)
Remember the -400 out of Dtw?

I sure do. That was really ugly too.

Carl


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