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Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 1471933)
Leine,
Let me just segue this by saying that I am not a DPA supporter and can't see myself backing the group in the near future. My gripes with ALPA are just that, with ALPA and in no way translates into support for DPA. It's tiresome to hear when a criticism is made against ALPA it is assumed that the person making the critque is throwing their support behind DPA. You draw a distinction between ALPA National and our MEC, but I consider them one in the same as it seems the direction/influence of ALPA National is echoed through our MEC and trickled down to our LECs. While I realize administratively the MEC and National leadership structures differ, I still find the relationship tightly woven. The perception (to me at least) is National passes down it's influence to the MECs who in turn pass down the guidance to the LECs who must then get the pilot group on board. I feel that this process is completely backwards and it has evolved into this because their is an assumption that majority of pilots are selfishly out for themselves and incapable of deciding the appropriate direction for this profession. I have always been impressed with the knowledge, expertise, and feedback that I have gotten from the Reps I have interacted with, but I still can't help to ignore the MEC direction/guidance that the LECs are left to defend and justify. I'd like to see the tone change with ALPA. Not trying to attack you or anything here, just offering up this junior guy's opinion. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1471937)
Take her to see Planes ... relief for you and her.
Tangled is, BTW, my favorite Disney / Pixar collaboration. 140,000 strands of hair and something like 174,000 frames. Someone drew something like 25,200,000,000 strands of hair. They had to develop their own physics engine to make it flow properly. When you understand the tech behind that cartoon, it's pretty jaw dropping. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1471995)
Did you see the article in yesterday's WSJ? It seems Bama fans are "bored".
I hate them... almost as much as Florida. First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game. Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed. Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship... http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/...3ab4afe3bb.jpg |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1472028)
Bored? How about eternally grateful.
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game. Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed. Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship... http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/...3ab4afe3bb.jpg Oh, and they are gonna kill Manziel this year. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1471955)
My apologies. I made the leap when that's not what you were talking about. I've been having the DPA discussion a little too often lately huh? My bad.
While there is a relationship between our MEC (and all MEC's) and National, we do not take direction from them. There was a large shift (although it may have been subtle to the average pilot) when the new administration took office in January. It signaled, IMO, a shift in direction based on the reps displeasure with how C2012 went down. You'll notice a change in the communication that's coming out since KR took over - and while you probably won't see the contract survey results anytime soon, there is a strong push from the very top of the Delta MEC to be more inclusive and transparent. The PUB program is a perfect example of this. Even in this "downtime" your MEC is going out on the road frequently and has visited every single base, to collect your feedback. I'm confident that capn's experience at the PUB was an outlier, and not the norm. It may have been 1 ALPA guy having a bad day - we're human. I have actually noticed very little interference from National in the several years I've been doing this stuff. For the most part, we call them when we need something. They exist to support us, and it works that way 99% of the time. Lee Moak does not call down to ATL and tell us how things should be. Understood. I'm also a junior guy, which is why I'm so invested in where this thing is going. We all want the same thing. It just boils down to (usually) a very small difference in opinion of how to get there. All good info from your post, and to just reiterate my opinion is only based on "my perception" of how things seem to play out. The C2012 vote seemed to place an inordinate amount of pressure from both our union and management. The perception seemed to be that both sides were pushing identical facts, whereas a more transparent pros versus cons comparison would have been more palatable. You say things have changed and we will see the inference from those changes evident in future communications. Until then we'll all just have to wait and see how some of our significant concerns will play out in the short/long term. I'd like to see both DPA and ALPA strengthen their hand so as to provide two strong representational options to our group in the event a representational vote ever occurs. DPA by far has a lot more legwork to do as they have publicised some scathing vitriol against ALPA and have provided nothing more than fear mongering. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1472028)
Bored? How about eternally grateful.
First, they knock the star QB from Texas out of the game in the first quarter. But then almost get beat by a freshman backup. But they won. Thanks to the previously mentioned QB being knocked out of the game. Second, they play LSU who was in meltdown mode with fights on the bus and what not. And it showed. Third, they play Notre Dame, no offense ND fans, but you're no Oregon. Who if not for a FG bouncing off the upright in OT would've been a much better opponent then Bama had seen in a NCG. After all, we know hurry up is the one thing Saban hates and they showed a weakness to short QBs (A&M and UGA comes to mind) in a passing game. A high flying Ducks championship game would've been a riot after how some acted during the 2010 national championship... http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/...3ab4afe3bb.jpg God Made a Bammer - YouTube |
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1472006)
I feel exactly the same. Sent in a card, won't renew, won't vote for them, but see the non emotional side of their argument.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1472010)
Brave is my favorite. It's just a good movie.
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Originally Posted by index
(Post 1471844)
On the contrary, the quickest way to shut DPA down is to have a vote. Send in a card and then let the pilot group overwhelmingly vote no. Or are you afraid that's not what would happen
1. ALPA 2. DPA 3. Write-in "APC Union" 4. No union The irony of the DPA yelling about the money is that if they drop cards any union can show up and don't think for a minute that the Teamsters won't show up for some money. I'm not saying the IBT is in it just for money, but they aren't member run and with unions dying, I don't see how they couldn't. Now, the real interesting part is that the DPA die-hards I've flown with want no union, no dues and no one involved with their life. This isn't an either or vote it's a possible catastrophe. Best case is USAPA. Best case is USAPA, really? They walked away with money and basically kept the same structure. They just cut ALPA off. The DPA wants to clean house and start from scratch with a brand new union structure and new volunteers. It's also expensive. The DPA has already said that it's going to be "ALPA's money" used to "fight" the DPA. It's not. It's going to be the Delta MEC's money which is our own money in talking with the C66 reps. They said this money would have started to come back to us on a regular basis like the first money they gave back. They said the Alaska pilots regularly give dues money back. We had just started. They also said that it's going to cost the DPA the entire million they just got to do a representation drive. If they lose how do they pay that back? What happens if the IBT moves in? What if no union wins? This isn't just a vote or get off the pot it's a lingering headache from the merger that just needs to go away so we can all win. C2012 wasn't a home run but when you look at the sudden conclusion to other airline contracts. We really helped a lot of other pilots come up including the APA/USAPA guys if it goes through. We'll all be back to negotiating of the Delta Dot next time with airlines making money unless we all need gas masks soon... |
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