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A good faith basis call would typically not be tied to a 15 day or 100 hour verification requirement as that pilot is already required to provide sick verification to the company. As an example to answer your question, the pilot who calls in sick and then travels via jumpseat on another carrier (the company would know since CASS pinged the Delta system to verify employment) without first getting permission from his Chief Pilot would likely get a good faith basis call. Also, a pilot that calls in sick and then posts on Facebook about the great outdoor physical activities he is enjoying with old friends he hasn't seen in years while visiting out of town relatives during the same time frame could generate a good faith basis call. The company would then have a reason to question the pilot's use of sick leave which is not solely based on the amount of sick leave used or the frequency of sick occurrences for that pilot.

I think most of us would say that no pilot is out of touch enough to actually do that, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is my understanding that less than 0.5% of the pilot group has gotten a good faith basis call.

Hillbilly

12-02-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1531648)

Thanks...makes sense the way you spell it out. But it does remind me of the mentality of the AF and how it would play out. Sometimes someone would be able to step in and say, "Stop it--this is stupid." Unfortunately, that wasn't all that often.

I agree completely.

Hillbilly

12-02-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1531644)

Can some one tell me the difference between a "Coverage Pairing Award" and a "Regular Pairing Award"? Same goes for "Coverage Reserve Day Award" vs a "Regular Reserve Day Award." In PBS Notepad 13-04, it says they all come out on a monthly bid award.

Coverage awards are what we previously referred to as unstacking. If a pilot is junior in category over Christmas for example, they could be designated for a coverage award and be awarded a pairing or on call days over Christmas (while trying to honor preferences in the bid group) right out of the gate before their bid group is processed. A good description begins on page 58 of PBS Gouge 13-4.

orvil

12-02-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1531534)

Here's more info on what is driving the CPO to call you sick puppies...

Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!

The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).

Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.

The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."

So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.

Maybe Dick isn't as great a manager as we have been led to believe. If he was a really talented manager the first question he would have asked after being presented with this information is WHY?

He failed to ask the obvious question. He gets paid a lot of money to not only generate the numbers, but to also understand the numbers.

Dick needs to pay attention to the details. After all, that's what he is paid millions to do.

Timbo

12-02-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1531695)

OR...Dick could "Incentivize" us to not use sick leave, like his Industry Average Airlines do.

sinca3

12-02-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1531517)

So using that rational if the company is out of compliance wrt mainline jets vs RJs could they just add mainline jets "on paper" and be in compliance? Follow my logic here? Just don't wanna go down the slippery slope of allowing them to move phantom numbers around to meet the PWA requirements. Make sense?

Funny you bring that up!! A little birdy had to do an acceptance flight on 2 717's Thanksgiving day so we could write the check to SWA and "own" the aircraft. They were them on our list this keeping them in compliance with the scope agreement.
The 717's were still in full AirTran garb in and out and were actually flown by Airtran pilots but as soon as the flight was done and the check written DAL was in compliance with the scope clause!
Jets are real and owned by DAL but they aren't even close to being on line.

johnso29

12-02-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1531653)

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1531612)

What is this "Good Faith" phone call you are talking about, and who gets it?

Timbo,

Hillbilly covered it. Hope that helps.

iaflyer

12-02-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1531578)

Technically Timbo, that's not a call made on a "Good Faith" basis. You received a call based on Sec 14.F.3.b, which gives us the 2 circumstances in which verification is required.

Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:

a) a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or

b) a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.

Good Faith is covered under Sec 14 F 4. Not trying to be a smart guy. Just clarifying the contract. :o

Ok, so why have I gotten two calls in the last two weeks from the CPO office (and I've answered and talked to them), asking how I am, when I've already provided the requisite sick verification?

Now I have been out sick for a while, but the explanation was in the doctor's note, and I have surgery scheduled.

johnso29

12-02-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1531734)

Ok, so why have I gotten two calls in the last two weeks from the CPO office, asking how I am, when I've already provided the requisite sick verification?

Now I have been out sick for a while, but the explanation was in the doctor's note, and I have surgery scheduled.

The CP calling you should tell you exactly why he is calling. If he doesn't, be certain to ask him. Honestly, I think it's disorganization on the 4th floor. I have a friend who had back surgery this past summer. Like you, he was proactive in providing info to the CPO. He spoke with the CP about his absence, and the CP accepted his note for verification. All was well.

The very next day the same CP calls him to find out why he has been out sick for weeks. My friend said "We just spoke yesterday" and CP said "Yup you're correct. Sorry. I'm having a senior moment. Have a good day." And that was the end of it.

Be sure to track your time in iCrew. Make sure it is indeed "verified" sick usage. BTW, didn't know you were out sick. Hope all is well soon.

Purple Drank

12-02-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1531450)

You mean like stopping "Good Faith" calls? Or getting guys their jobs back? Or getting guys $$$ when their contractual rights are violated?

I found of picture of johnso at cheerleader tryouts.
I think he's attempting to support DALPA.

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Do...5f02de7c97.jpg
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