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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1644986)

It sounds like we got the 5:15 per day.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1645002)

To be clear, all I know is that someone else posted about an increase to ADG.

I saw where a rep confirmed the 5:15 per day.
But there are exceptions. Devil in the details on this one.

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Originally Posted by Michael Jackson (Post 1644996)

I don't see any reason why certain language needs to be implemented right away.

I would imagine that the long call reserve piece needs resolution sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1645005)

You don't think some guys knowing they are going to get full pay for any pd days would wait till 3 hours to acknowledge everything.

I was referring to a daily trip guarantee.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1645016)

I saw where a rep confirmed the 5:15 per day. But there are exceptions. Devil in the details on this one.

No doubt...

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1645016)

I saw where a rep confirmed the 5:15 per day.
But there are exceptions. Devil in the details on this one.

I know in NYC they just moved either the report or return time by a couple of hours and didn't have to apply the old/new 4:30 ADG. We started getting more return times at 00:30 than I had seen before.

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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1645015)

Ok so currently when I fly an all nighter my duty day limit, per my contract, is 9 hours for any report between 2100-2359 (when a lot of these CDO's will report). FAR 117 is less restrictive with an 12 hour duty limit with a 2100 sign in.

So say you have a CDO that reports at 2100 so a 2200 take off and it's a 1.5 flight, so you land at 2330 and you say we have to have greater than 6 hours off so lets use 6.5 hours. next flight report is 0600 with a 0700 takeoff and an 0830 block in. Total duty day appears to be 11.5 hours. Just under the FAR 117 max and a heck of a lot longer than the current allowed for a coast to coast all nighter.

Welcome to the world of night freight. fly a leg, go to the hub and try and get some rest then fly absolutely bleary eyed to the outstation.

Your scenario here is still infinitely preferred to the ANC-ATL and LIM-ATL redeyes. I've flown both and they are brutal--especially LIM, which doesn't even land until 0930. How about that? The trip departs LIM at 0120, flies for SEVEN straight hours (two man) and then as a bonus you get three hours of sun in your face before you land. The trips have been flown for years and will continue to be (though not by me). No one on this forum has issued a peep.

If you gave me the choice of one of the two of those, versus ATL-SRQ (for example), spend 6 hours in a hotel bed, then SRQ-ATL in the morning, I would take option B in a nanosecond, as would most of us.

Don't worry. IF the contractual language is tight enough, these will most likely go pretty senior. The devil is in the language and I will give the reps I elected to do this job the ability to do so, without bombarding them with protests before they even get the chance to review everything.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1644976)

Hey ALPA -

What are you doing? The clock is ticking.

If its possible there is not going to be memrat and you plan to vote up or down on Wednesday :eek: --

we need to see this thing NOW!

Just put the LOA out. You can write all the extra stuff over the next couple days.

Check, don't rush them. It takes TIME to put a sales job together! :)

You can tell a sales job is coming when some new posters fire up on here (less than 20 posts or so), beginning to counter any opposition there may be. That's happening now. The next thing I expect is a big email from ALPA listing all of the advantages of the new LOA, and not a single drawback. The pattern has repeated several times during my few years here.

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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 1645015)

Welcome to the world of night freight. fly a leg, go to the hub and try and get some rest then fly absolutely bleary eyed to the outstation.

Sounds like me at the end of the 3-man all-nighter to South America. :(

Do you get a hotel room for six hours at the hub?

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1645016)

I saw where a rep confirmed the 5:15 per day.
But there are exceptions. Devil in the details on this one.

Yes, the devil is always in the details. I wonder who those details are going to favor? Hmmmmmmmm???? Alan?

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Originally Posted by Michael Jackson (Post 1644996)

I don't see any reason why certain language needs to be implemented right away

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1645017)

I would imagine that the long call reserve piece needs resolution sooner rather than later.

I agree. We need to implement the long call thing immediately if we have an agreement in principle. The other things could possibly be "subject to ratification" or something. It also makes no sense from the company perspective. Do you think they would agree to language that stated "will make all PD whole" but also "won't implement new rules until membership ratification"? Every reserve in the system would be waiting until 3 hours prior to acknowledge, "knowing" that they would not have to fly any trip, but also get reimbursed for any PD the company put on their line.