Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-02-2014 | 11:55 AM
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09-02-2014 | 12:08 PM
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09-02-2014 | 12:19 PM
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Re: the profit sharing, don't know how you could exclude any group from sharing in the profits if you are part of the company, nor should you want to.
09-02-2014 | 12:26 PM
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Need a company policy on how to handle this situation... probably will see it again.
09-02-2014 | 12:30 PM
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I am fairly certain that different employee groups could well have different profit sharing plans as part of their overall compensation. Management certainly does...
09-02-2014 | 12:31 PM
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As long as the large RJ's are permitted flying in section 1, they can be flown anywhere, at any rates, even on the Delta cert. Even when DCI falls apart, you will still have to spend negotiating capital to bring the RJ rates up to mainline standards.
Also, since Endeavor is ALPA, single carrier status does not apply with the NMB, so there can be no staple, unless 51%+ of the Delta pilots vote for it. Not going to happen in 100 billion years.
Also, since Endeavor is ALPA, single carrier status does not apply with the NMB, so there can be no staple, unless 51%+ of the Delta pilots vote for it. Not going to happen in 100 billion years.
09-02-2014 | 12:33 PM
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09-02-2014 | 12:36 PM
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Yeah I don't see the company doing/asking for this. I know it doesn't show it on this site since we don't have the aircraft on property at mainline, but we have mainline rates for the CRJ900. According to this site the 12 year Capt rate at Endeavor is $87/hr and the FO rate is $39/hr. Our rate is $135/hr and $92/hr.
We have always been told by management that pilot costs are not the reason the aircraft are not at mainline. The total cost of all the personnel and the benefits associated with them make it cost prohibitive.
We have always been told by management that pilot costs are not the reason the aircraft are not at mainline. The total cost of all the personnel and the benefits associated with them make it cost prohibitive.
It is far more complicated than the above rates. IF DAL did start flying the 900 you would probably see guys bidding CAPT around year 3 or 4, not at 12 years, and almost every FO would be year one.
Besides factoring in the difference on the other labor costs which you mention, there would be considerable savings from eliminating the many company functions that could be consolidated.
Finally, there is the whole concept of a "Brand," which our management talks about quite a bit, but either doesn't grasp the concept (I don't believe this) or is bull****ting.
You do not solidify a brand by outsourcing - you dilute it. If a DAL ticket does not mean you are flying on Delta what good is our "brand image?" No good - unless we deceive our customers which is not a good long term business policy.
Outsourcing through numerous DCI, code-share, and JV's is the antithesis of a "brand."
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09-02-2014 | 12:37 PM
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If Delta were to do it's own flying, it would not put Delta behind other airlines for recruiting pilots. Delta flying being done by Delta pilots would increase the desirability and number of Delta positions.
Are Delta pilots turning down class dates because they might have to fly a 717?
Your repeating the tired old Chuck Giambusso justification for outsourcing fifteen years later makes it no more correct now than it was then; when such bigotry led to the furlough of thousands of mainline pilots.
Delta jobs are good flying jobs. If we recapture scope level of scope, then those will be Delta jobs.
Are Delta pilots turning down class dates because they might have to fly a 717?
Your repeating the tired old Chuck Giambusso justification for outsourcing fifteen years later makes it no more correct now than it was then; when such bigotry led to the furlough of thousands of mainline pilots.
Delta jobs are good flying jobs. If we recapture scope level of scope, then those will be Delta jobs.
09-02-2014 | 12:42 PM
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The first point was there would not be a staple. Under ALPA merger policy it would end up in arbitration. On the second point if we bring a fleet of 50,70 and 76 seat RJ's to the mainline they become the entry position. If we don't agree to fly them at competitive rates they are not coming. That will certainly make us less desireable for new hires then other options.
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