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TED74 01-08-2017 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2276818)
It's quibbling plain and simple

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

iaflyer 01-08-2017 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2276801)
Does anyone know how many credits a single reserve day is? Just wondering if I call in sick over a 4 day stretch of reserve how much sick time it will burn. Thanks.

It depends on how many days you are on call and what the ALV is.

Example: November ALV in a category was 72 hours, and a pilot has 16 days on call. (Extra day off because of extra X day, etc).

Sick for 5 days - each day sick is means you have 1/16 less of the month on call. 1/16 is .0625 - multiple that times the ALV, 72= 4.5 hours for each day sick in that month.

Each category is different each month, but between 4-5 hours for each reserve day is typical.

TED74 01-08-2017 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2276881)
It's a far better deal then the reservists had in the past.

I agree. And 6-month non-vol deployments are far worse.

Guardsmen of old would rotate in (voluntarily) for one or two weeks of Northern / Southern Watch at a time. Easy peasy!

deadseal 01-08-2017 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2276893)
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

It's slang in the Air Force for complaining or arguing. Like when you try and come up with some excuse for why you hubcapped and got shot in the face, instead of just owning up to loss of SA. Look I'm not ardently against you getting premium pay, but I would not burn any negotiating capitol on reservist getting it when they don't fly a full delta schedule, and I agree with the company that it's a little silly to pay premium to folks that don't commit wholly to fulfilling said schedule.

Stryder 01-08-2017 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 2276864)
Yes but you might (I personally don't think so and don't feel like looking it up) be subject to 23k recovery flying.

Thanks.

F. Rotation Guarantee
1. After completion of line adjustment, a regular pilot who is unable to fly a rotation or portion thereof that originates on
his regular line, due to IROPS or an FAR or PWA
conflict, will receive pay and credit for the greater of:
a. the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b. his accumulated credit for:
1) recovery flying under
Section 23 K., or
2) the rerouted rotation flown
under Section 23 L.

Exception: A pilot who is removed from a rotation due to either of the following IROPS 27 will have no recovery obligation under Section 23 K. 1.
1. FAR 60 -in-168 conflict.

So that is me. I checked my time card and it shows me sked 26:37 with 5:15 pay. They removed me from the rest of the trip. Will that change then after I do my turn today and the log stat closes?

TED74 01-08-2017 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2276932)
It's slang in the Air Force for complaining or arguing. Like when you try and come up with some excuse for why you hubcapped and got shot in the face, instead of just owning up to loss of SA. Look I'm not ardently against you getting premium pay, but I would not burn any negotiating capitol on reservist getting it when they don't fly a full delta schedule, and I agree with the company that it's a little silly to pay premium to folks that don't commit wholly to fulfilling said schedule.

You're half right. It isn't complaining or arguing, it IS making excuses (which I'm not doing). And if you take a chuck in the face, it's more likely that you didn't have SA...not that you lost it.

Green slips aren't paid for committing to fulfill a schedule (see GS on reserve, which you can get without ever flying again in the month). They are paid to help the company get out of a pickle. Mil leave-takers can do that just as well as pure civilian pilots.

sailingfun 01-08-2017 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Stryder (Post 2276938)
Thanks.

F. Rotation Guarantee
1. After completion of line adjustment, a regular pilot who is unable to fly a rotation or portion thereof that originates on
his regular line, due to IROPS or an FAR or PWA
conflict, will receive pay and credit for the greater of:
a. the scheduled credit of such rotation, or
b. his accumulated credit for:
1) recovery flying under
Section 23 K., or
2) the rerouted rotation flown
under Section 23 L.

Exception: A pilot who is removed from a rotation due to either of the following IROPS 27 will have no recovery obligation under Section 23 K. 1.
1. FAR 60 -in-168 conflict.

So that is me. I checked my time card and it shows me sked 26:37 with 5:15 pay. They removed me from the rest of the trip. Will that change then after I do my turn today and the log stat closes?

The pay will show up after closeout. Your recovery obligation ends 6 hours after your scheduled report.

Stryder 01-08-2017 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2276951)
The pay will show up after closeout. Your recovery obligation ends 6 hours after your scheduled report.

I shouldn't have a recovery obligation since i was removed for far limits right? At least that's the way I read it.

Exception: A pilot who is removed from a rotation due to either of the following IROPS 27 will have no recovery obligation under Section 23 K. 1.
1. FAR 60 -in-168 conflict.

sailingfun 01-08-2017 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Stryder (Post 2276958)
I shouldn't have a recovery obligation since i was removed for far limits right? At least that's the way I read it.

Exception: A pilot who is removed from a rotation due to either of the following IROPS 27 will have no recovery obligation under Section 23 K. 1.
1. FAR 60 -in-168 conflict.

If it was a 60 in 168 conflict yes. Other FAR's no. It sounds like they have essentially given you your recovery with the turn.

Herkflyr 01-08-2017 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2276941)
You're half right. It isn't complaining or arguing, it IS making excuses (which I'm not doing). And if you take a chuck in the face, it's more likely that you didn't have SA...not that you lost it.

Green slips aren't paid for committing to fulfill a schedule (see GS on reserve, which you can get without ever flying again in the month). They are paid to help the company get out of a pickle. Mil leave-takers can do that just as well as pure civilian pilots.

If mil leave users want to get a GS, then there is also a contractual remedy for that--bid a reserve line, and GS on reserve off days. I just don't see any push to allow for MLOA to be counted against the regular line GS trigger like vacation is. I suppose if the company came to us with that request (which I doubt they ever will) then we might consider it. But I don't ever want to waste negotiating capital otherwise for something that they likely never considered or wanted in the first place.


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