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Old 02-22-2017 | 06:27 AM
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Question - say one was awarded the 350 in this initial bid, but because it will be a year long bid most likely, they didn't train until the fall. Does the 2 year seat lock start from the day of the award or the day you convert?
If they are really planning that massive of a 350 bid this will get crazy. I am starting to wonder how they are going to do it with the C series
What they really should do long term is stick to this:
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Old 02-22-2017 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Now THAT would be awesome!


If true........

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Yeah, I am also wondering about the timelines overlap. DAL might need 80-150 A350 dudes while 747 is still not parked.
Is that about correct?
Old 02-22-2017 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustycrophopper
Does the 2 year seat lock start from the day of the award or the day you convert?
Date of the award per 23.A.7.b of the contract.

Remember, under our new PWA, the one year conversion window only comes into existence if there are displacements (23.D.11) and they only get to do it once in a calendar year.
Old 02-22-2017 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
Yeah, I am also wondering about the timelines overlap. DAL might need 80-150 A350 dudes while 747 is still not parked.
Is that about correct?
With a 365 day conversion window from May, I'll bet there won't be much overlap if the 747 is really gone by the end of the year. Between now and May 2018 there are 15 747 A's turning 65. I suspect they will take a displacement bid and then either get bypassed or retire just before going to training (or even in training). Heck, that's what I'd do....

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Old 02-22-2017 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
With a 365 day conversion window from May, I'll bet there won't be much overlap if the 747 is really gone by the end of the year. Between now and May 2018 there are 15 747 A's turning 65. I suspect they will take a displacement bid and then either get bypassed or retire just before going to training (or even in training). Heck, that's what I'd do....

Denny
You can't bypass a displaced pilot so you will not see that option. I doubt you will see many retire either. What you will see is a lot of pilots going out on disability. There is a window for the next few years where disability will be far more lucrative option than even a pilot with a full NWA retirement. Many will take the displacement and wait until a class date begins. They will go out sick at that point and between sick and DPMA pick up full pay for 15 months and then revert to disability boosted an extra 4 grand a month by the PS and retro.
Old 02-22-2017 | 11:08 AM
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Naive question, dont you need a reason to go on disability?
Old 02-22-2017 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Naive question, dont you need a reason to go on disability?
You are Naive! Not to mention when you get over 55 all many pilots need to do is be honest at medical time. Those that don't have a medical issue will create one. It was very lucrative for former Pan Am pilots to go disability rather then retire. probably 3 out of 4 went out disabled. Some guys have no trouble at all looking themselves in the mirror doing that kind of stuff. I really admired some of the Pan Am guys who retired and left a 100,000 a year on the table. It's called character and some had it.
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Anything new on our proposed JV with KE talks?
Old 02-22-2017 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You are Naive! Not to mention when you get over 55 all many pilots need to do is be honest at medical time. Those that don't have a medical issue will create one. It was very lucrative for former Pan Am pilots to go disability rather then retire. probably 3 out of 4 went out disabled. Some guys have no trouble at all looking themselves in the mirror doing that kind of stuff. I really admired some of the Pan Am guys who retired and left a 100,000 a year on the table. It's called character and some had it.
well....when your failed model union negotiated retirement magically vanishes, many were left with very tough choices.

So save the 'looking in the mirror' moralizing. Unless you want to open the conversation on national officers dues paid pension plan...when virtually none of the member pilot groups have such a benefit.

You would have to go out in a seat position that had no age 60 mandatory retirement qualifier. So a double down bid to the SO seat was the mechanism.
Old 02-22-2017 | 03:15 PM
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got a question for those that know better than myself. I received an award yesterday and had a qualifier in. Running the numbers today and using John Bell's AE spreadsheets I'm showing a worse projected percentage than what I had in using today's numbers and projected category lists. What does the company use to project %? Are they accounting for newhires that have yet to be put on the equipment?
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