Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2622775)

Scheduled or actual block in?

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2622584)

Trip coverage ladder. Reroute is step 22, long call RES into an XX day is 23, and short call RES pilot into an XX day is 24. ALPA can check if they followed the ladder, either way you must fly now/grieve later. Could result in assignment pay and reroute pay.

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I was on LC today and was passed for a GS. I thought that 23.O.12 would apply, but ALPA tells me that is a carry-over relic of the contract that was not properly updated when FAR 117 was published. According to ALPA the only GS a LC pilot can get under that provision is one that reports between 10 and 12 hours from the assignment. He sounded very confident in his answer but it's most definitely not what the contract states. Can anybody verify that FAR117 has a provision that trumps this part of the contract?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2622874)

Two things here. One the coverage ladder does not apply for a delayed flight. It applies during the award process as the rotation was originally constructed.
On the GS award the contract never trumps the FAR’s. FAR’s take precedence.

Originally Posted by bugman61 (Post 2622868)

It must have been a report time of 10 hours after you were released from LC to rest. Otherwise you weren’t legal to start the the FDP.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2622901)

So...if I️ understand correctly, the guys doing rolling thunder always have over 10 hours notification for GS? Anyone out there confirm/deny?

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2622901)

So...if I️ understand correctly, the guys doing rolling thunder always have over 10 hours notification for GS? Anyone out there confirm/deny?

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2622878)

Didn't know his flight was delayed at the time I replied. Also aware that the FARs would always take precedence over the contract, just felt odd that such an obvious oversight was still in the contract if it indeed violates 117.

Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2622901)

So...if I️ understand correctly, the guys doing rolling thunder always have over 10 hours notification for GS? Anyone out there confirm/deny?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2622577)

You need to provide a lot more info. Is this a reroute. Is it a initial trip assignment?

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2622584)

Trip coverage ladder. Reroute is step 22, long call RES into an XX day is 23, and short call RES pilot into an XX day is 24. ALPA can check if they followed the ladder, either way you must fly now/grieve later. Could result in assignment pay and reroute pay.

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I was on LC today and was passed for a GS. I thought that 23.O.12 would apply, but ALPA tells me that is a carry-over relic of the contract that was not properly updated when FAR 117 was published. According to ALPA the only GS a LC pilot can get under that provision is one that reports between 10 and 12 hours from the assignment. He sounded very confident in his answer but it's most definitely not what the contract states. Can anybody verify that FAR117 has a provision that trumps this part of the contract?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2622607)

Yes, they can do that. It’s a delayed flight. If it arrives back after 2AM you are due a additional 5:15 for the trip. Yo may also be due compensation for the violated X day. I am sure some of the reserves on here can provide more detail.

Originally Posted by Tummy (Post 2623155)

Thanks for the responses.

Should anyone else need it, I found the contractual reference for how the X days are handled. It's Section 23 S. 12.

I don't think I get any extra pay other than the extra 5:15 towards reserve guarantee for blocking in after 0130 and being released after 0200.

EDIT: What's the best way to contact DALPA regarding a scheduling question? Phone call, email directly to the scheduling guys, or Submit a Scheduling Issue template on the MEC website?