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Old 08-21-2018 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
That’s almost $15k in DC for the month and will make for one heck of a profit sharing check too! Wow!
Big DC and PS indeed. But don't forget, that's not extra PS those guys are generating for the company; if I understand PTIX correctly (I may have it wrong), the exorbitant compensation paid actually reduces PTIX too. And Crew Resources' under-manning of the 350 category skews a larger piece of the "fixed" profit sharing pie to those guys, and reduces PS for the rest of us who are only making 6 figures and not 7. I certainly don't blame the pilots. I suspect it's a CR problem, but until someone confesses to having miscalculated or made poor business decisions, I suppose we just know that the company screwed up.
Old 08-21-2018 | 07:05 PM
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On this past AE , 7-10 pilots awarded A350 Capt positions will not be converted....why......RET. Kinda a tuff nut to crack, trying to figure out how many pilots will drop their papers. They probably bid the position hoping for a bypass, not getting it and then pulling the handles. Not a super long track record for CR to gauge actions like that....but they will figure it out. Sorry it cut into your profit sharing. Do you feel the same about grossly over-manned categories where Delta pays pilots to sit at home and hardly turn a wheel?
But if it makes you feel better, blame crew resources, since it seems like you are intent on finding a fall guy.
Old 08-21-2018 | 07:12 PM
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Also, quite a few A350 Capt's got bypassed....that means the company has to pay them top end rates until they retire. That too cuts into your profit sharing.....do you advocate giving up training bypass in the next contract? We don't want to gore your profit sharing now, do we?
Old 08-22-2018 | 02:56 AM
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Not looking for a fall guy, but I'm a big fan of accountability. Maybe I'm not reading for comprehension, but I don't often hear CR take responsibility for much...and there's often finger-pointing at Network for their flail. Let's not forget, it's all Delta management.

I don't begrudge anyone for working as little as possible, for as much money as possible. And I won't notice the minor reduction of my PS for these guys' windfall. Like many of us I hope I might win the category lottery before retirement and get a few months of super-earnings some day.

My point is simply to remind folks of management's missteps in anticipation of negotiations. They'll soon come to the table demanding efficiency gains and we shouldn't forgot how many of our inefficiencies are brought about by their own business decisions. Remember, it's a great deal easier to properly man a few categories than it is to man almost a dozen.
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
On this past AE , 7-10 pilots awarded A350 Capt positions will not be converted....why......RET. Kinda a tuff nut to crack, trying to figure out how many pilots will drop their papers. They probably bid the position hoping for a bypass, not getting it and then pulling the handles. Not a super long track record for CR to gauge actions like that....but they will figure it out. Sorry it cut into your profit sharing. Do you feel the same about grossly over-manned categories where Delta pays pilots to sit at home and hardly turn a wheel?
But if it makes you feel better, blame crew resources, since it seems like you are intent on finding a fall guy.
They displaced from the 350 a few AE's ago -- when they were grossly understaffed and knew it would only get worse. There's no way that made any sense. They should have carried the fat if necessary.
Old 08-22-2018 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
They displaced from the 350 a few AE's ago -- when they were grossly understaffed and knew it would only get worse. There's no way that made any sense. They should have carried the fat if necessary.
They did not displace anyone. They canceled training for 6 or 7 FO’s before they started training. No Captains were effected and they rebid the positions. They were canceled because they needed the sims for CA checkouts.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
They displaced from the 350 a few AE's ago -- when they were grossly understaffed and knew it would only get worse. There's no way that made any sense. They should have carried the fat if necessary.
I'm sure they never asked themselves the question, " What will be cheaper, paying extra to be fat in category (which is known), or green slip pay if things get too lean(due to POSSIBLE future events)?"

They are supremely incompetent, can't manage their way out of a wet paper bag and are totally incapable of forming a cogent idea.....does that about sum it up in your opinion?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They did not displace anyone. They canceled training for 6 or 7 FO’s before they started training. No Captains were effected and they rebid the positions. They were canceled because they needed the sims for CA checkouts.
Come on, get in the boat and row.."THEY ARE INCOMPETENT, I TELL YOU". I read it here on the forum, how dare you insert facts you.... you........"management shill !"🙄

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Ok. I sit corrected. I was under the impression they displaced.

So who do we blame for the shortage of 350 pilots?

Anyone?

Cost of doing business?
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Ok. I sit corrected. I was under the impression they displaced.

So who do we blame for the shortage of 350 pilots?

Anyone?

Cost of doing business?
As others have posted they waited until to late to start training. They posted initially how much lead time they needed to start the program and did not follow their own calculations. Why they waited is another question. The delivery dates actually got moved up a bit and they had a higher rate of attrition. There was some talk we wanted out of the 350 completely so perhaps they were waiting for guidance on if we were even going to get the aircraft.
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