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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 791011)
No apologies needed man. We're all in this fight together. And believe me when I say this, I get what you're saying and I too want the best contact we can get. I do want to see this company succeed as well. And I apologize for the gramps comment.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 790923)
Among your defined group are pilots who fought against the policy of the Comair MEC (like me), those who were hired after Lawson left, and current Delta pilots (who might be on their way to work, or working for you in your right seat). The problem with your grouping is that "they all look the same."
... and the worst sin committed was to try to use Delta's furloughed pilots as bargaining chips. Lawson asked the Delta MEC for help, the Delta MEC told him "no, this isn't a negotiation." Lawson replied in kind. I don't like that either, but it IS THE DELTA MEC's JOB to protect the Delta pilots, not Comair's. The Delta MEC could have simply sidestepped the Comair MEC and worked this out with the owners of Comair, DELTA.* Holding on to bigotry illustrates a lack of knowledge, lack of objectivity and poor judgment. I'm not talking about you, because you are smarter than that. Bar, Your magnanimous attitude is admirable, but your logic is stretched a bit thin and here is where it breaks down: ASA was in a similar situation – they chose the high road. And here is the kicker – when DAL started hiring the policy miraculously changed. What would cause this? If there truly were safety related integration issues what changed in this regard? Did COMAIR pilots who previously remained silent start turning the heat on their MEC? I wasn’t there but it stinks no matter how you look at it. FWIW - I posted the JC Lawson letter and we as a group should not forget it, but I don’t think we should deny jump-seats over this issue. How do we know the one guy getting denied isn’t the guys who actually protested this issue from the start? Nobody wins a jumpseat war. Scoop – Non-commuter |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 791014)
The rumors are great but try and put a little thought. We are going to be given 10 747-400's because 18 787's are late? I find that a bit hard to believe. We might get a good deal on those airframes but no way are they going to give them to us!
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 791022)
Bar,
Your magnanimous attitude is admirable, but your logic is stretched a bit thin and here is where it breaks down: ASA was in a similar situation – they chose the high road. And here is the kicker – when DAL started hiring the policy miraculously changed. What would cause this? If there truly were safety related integration issues what changed in this regard? Did COMAIR pilots who previously remained silent start turning the heat on their MEC? I wasn’t there but it stinks no matter how you look at it. FWIW - I posted the JC Lawson letter and we as a group should not forget it, but I don’t think we should deny jump-seats over this issue. How do we know the one guy getting denied isn’t the guys who actually protested this issue from the start? Nobody wins a jumpseat war. Scoop – Non-commuter In terms of policies, I don't think this group should do that group any favor. For example, I wouldn't lose any sleep if our MEC made it a policy not to have reciprocal jumpseat with CMR. It's also beyond me that WE negotiated a preferential interview process for them, in exchange for preferential hiring. We in fact ended up paying them to right a wrong. How bizarre... Still, when I encounter a former CMR guy at DAL, I don't discuss the former divisions between us, since he's a Delta pilot. But since they often to feel a little, you know, ...awkward about that little check to the RJDC, or simply their silence as they tacitly endorsed Lawson, then they often nervously end up "there" of their own accord. If they feel obligated to offer the traditional defensive "it-wasn't-me-it-was-Lawson" song and dance, I tell them I've already seen it, and I'm not impressed. |
Originally Posted by Gearjerk
(Post 791016)
Waves,
Be careful what you're willing to give to fly a larger aircraft. The company may just hold you to your word during "contract negotiations". :D GJ I would give the right one to fly the F-22. Any takers? LOL |
Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 791030)
OK sailing, you poop. You didn't even give me 10 minutes to believe in this rumor. You quickly pulled me out of LA LA land. I'm ticked and you owe me. LOL ;) Reality sucks. I like rumors like this one much better than reality. :D By the way, when the heck are we, I mean you guys, getting those 787's? Have you guys looked at that thing? OMG, that is definitely a better mouse trap. Unlike the 737 New Generation, this aircraft can truly be labled NG. The 737NG is a joke portrayed by Boeing. The 787 is real. Bring em on, even if I will never be able to fly it. Go DAL N!
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ing-69055.html Tried to include the picture, but can't seem to get the hang of it. Could ACL Super or FTB pm with help. |
Originally Posted by Maddog Waddle
(Post 790992)
5. Delta has made their order for the 100 seater.
Originally Posted by Waves
(Post 790971)
P.S. Tangent not directed at forgot to bid: Many years ago, I was traveling through DEN and needed to JS on UAL Express. I was denied the request twice and finally had to buy an expensive last minute ticket to get where I was going. The Captain said, "If we can't ride on Delta, then you can't ride on us." It sucked and I was ticked, but he did have a point. It was futile to explain to him that management wouldn't give us the jumpseat. The bottom line was that we hadn't paid management enough to get it.
Speaking of being denied jumpseats, I ran to a CAL cockpit one time trying to get a jumpseat home or to work, I honestly can't remember, I just know I was happy to have made it on time. At the time I had been at Coex for a few months or a year, I can't remember, it was before 9/11 for sure. But I asked for the jumpseat, kind as ever, and the Captain wouldn't look at me. He wanted to know if I had voted for IACP (Continental's union) or ALPA before he'd let me on, problem was I was on probation and not allowed to vote. I explained that, he said who would you have voted for. The FO gave me a signal to say no, so I did, he let me on. I didn't know much about unions, scabs or strikes back then but I learned, it'd be fun to run into that situation now. What an *******, but he's probably like IAH LEC rep or something now, thats how those guys work. |
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I thought the increase in DFW flying was due to Continental leaving Skyteam and not due to JAL.
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Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 791005)
What about getting the jumpseat made it such a high cost item?
He hated pilots. It was not "just business" for him. It was personal. Denying the jumpseat was his little power play. (among others) My theory? Ron Allen had a very small Johnson and spent his whole life compensating. The only good thing that happened in bankruptcy was that we were able to dump most of his lifetime perks. |
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