Originally Posted by TheWagman (Post 822937)

AE question.... So I'm headed to the M88 in ATL and my training and conversion month is in December. I've noticed on other folks the months are 1 apart what gives?? What does that mean? anybody...?:confused:

Originally Posted by Cohiba (Post 822234)

Any management pilot position isn't dependent on one's seniority. In this case, all Delta is trying to do is streamline the fleet beauracracy. They have a never ending quest to consolidate admin jobs and in particular hate the 767-400, 777, 747 fleet admin because they are such small fleets (compared to the other fleets) yet they have the same number of admin staff. Doyle won't be flying the 747...just ensuring the training footprints become similar to other fleets and that no "silo's" (code word for "our way of doing it") doesn't creep into the mix. This isn't a big deal at all and actually saves money.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 822243)

I'm no expert, but until one answers your question, I'll give a bit of info. DAL has always had this problem, because instructor pay is capped. I think it used to be capped at 767 for Captain positions. Thus, the larger airplanes could never get anyone willing to take that big of a pay cut to work in training, so the issue you mention has always been present.

And once they decided that was OK, the slippery slope went further down the list. To be honest, I've got no problem with that. I know instructing is important, but it doesn't make money for Delta, so I'd rather not pay instructors $200k, so long as we have qualified ones there - and our SLI training department instructors are excellent, imo. If a 57 year old 777 (or 747) Captain wants to make $200 large, he needs to be hauling people, not sitting in a box teaching guys (who have been flying for 20-30 years already) how to fly.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 822279)

I suspect they would like to get all the "colors" out.
We're all one book now.

I have no idea about the particular individual in question, he's probably a great guy and retired for personal reasons, not political, but:

Going forward, anybody who exhibits a "partisan" mindset is probably not going to be chosen for supervisory positions.

That goes for red/green partisans or north/south partisans.

We've merged. All those old arguments are now historical relics.
Its pointless to continue the sectarian bickering.

Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 822863)

This is your second or third post recently that has a very smart a$$ tone. We try to be more professional on this board. That type of behavior is best suited for Flight Info. Feel free to disagree with folks on this board but keep it civil.

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 822415)

What Carl is saying is correct...... I am over in Asia and nosed around some talking with a couple LCA that are close to Steve. He is not returning to line flying just because he wants to fly the line. Ask yourself this, does DAL management really think a 777 captain is best suited for the 744 fleet captain position or are they looking for someone they can control?

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 822432)

That's ashame because there's no question NWA did many things better than DL. Training being one big example IMO. I was lucky enough to work for both companies pre-merger and and was looking forward to seeing the best of both combined. I hope they don't lose sight of the value that would bring to the operation going forward.

Originally Posted by keenster (Post 822936)

Tired of your Bull *******t Pg. Go talk to the 777 guys who got the crap beat out of them making all of us look like fools in TLV. Get off the horse buddy and clean up your side of the perfect fence you live in.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 822804)

I know you like to bring up divisions but I feel like we were past the we/you part and had moved on to "us". Maybe it's because you're behind your fence flying with the same guys you always have to the same places. The rest of us are flying with each other and on each other's aircraft. Management is a hodgepodge of people from all over the industry. This ain't Delta 1980.