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Old 07-05-2010 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Shiz, I agree completely. Its an apples vs. oranges argument. The fDAL guys will vote for full restoration of C2K plus inflation with the DC in lieu of moving the scope. Because? They want their contract back. The fNWA guys have a new contract and didn't lose that pay nor the retirement/DC. I'm not endorsing either position. But I can see a battle on this. Nobody wants the scope to remain trending as it has. Everybody on the south side wants to regain lost pay and benefits yet regain some scope. The northies want to regain scope. Should be interesting.
Buzz, as a northie, I see this particular situation as the final answer on scope issues for the future. Yes, I want scope. But if this issue which is in the contract in black and white is not enforced or leveraged to the full extent possible to get the most for the pilot group, then all scope is not worth the paper it is written on and I would be for NOT negotiating any scope in the future at a cost to the pilot group. If they get away with this, then Catie bar the door. This is a test gentlemen and the company is watching. I am watching the union!!!!!!! They better have their Ps & Qs together.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Riu Palace or Riu Palace Macao in Punta Cana.
Book through perx.com
Five star place on sale right now for $67 per person per night.
Spectacular beach and pools and watersports, etc. Superb dining.
Free sailing (wife and I sailed every day)
Lots of Europeans there. The beaches are "top optional". Lots of topless Eurobabes. (and one American )

Only one downside. NOT much "night life" in Punta Cana. If you are looking to disco dance til 4 AM, Jamaica or Mexico are better. They do have a casino though. I played a lot of hold 'em while we were there.
Check, $67/person was for the expensive side of Riu or the middle grade part? I did the middle for a week. The buffet was good, the water was great, the kayaking around that half sunken ship was a blast, the employees and beach sales guys were good, but I could've done without the plethora of old near naked men, topless european AARP women, and naked kids.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:12 AM
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Two words. Hedonism III
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadie85
Buzz, are you saying North guys didn't take a pay cut with the "new contract"? I am making $50 less a hr comparing the old NWA contract and the "new contract". Work rules are considerably worse, our frozen pension leaves alot of guys expecting less than if the PBGC took over our plan. I don't know what you were inplying, but former North pilots are not in awe with the "new contract" pay rates and rules.
I was responding to the nice looking Golden who said the above. Upon further review, I see buzz's post and understand. Nobody makes as much now as then. No argument there.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadie85
Yes we are making about $50K less a year. $211/ hr down to $161 for A320 Ca. Not even looking at the 1.5 overtime. GS is rarely gonna happen for commuters. Not complaining, just don't want to hear that NW guys are back to our old pay rates with the new DL contract.
Get used to it. I have been on this forum for quite a while now and even with posting my 09 w-2 which was less than the 08 w-2 for the same number of hours worked, they still think that we got a huge pay raise. Not worth wasting time on here any more on this issue unless you like to beat your head against a brick wall. Suggest wearing a helmet you will need it. On to bigger issues like the current scope delima.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Check, $67/person was for the expensive side of Riu or the middle grade part? I did the middle for a week. The buffet was good, the water was great, the kayaking around that half sunken ship was a blast, the employees and beach sales guys were good, but I could've done without the plethora of old near naked men, topless european AARP women, and naked kids.
$67 for the expensive side (right now)... Way more $$ in the winter high season.

Yes, the topless part does have its downside. In the mix are the 60 year old "babes" and German dudes wearing thongs. Ewww... What are those guys thinking?
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Is Landshark acceptable? How bout Bud Select? Also, do we get turn down service?
Just don't fruit the beer.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Riu Palace or Riu Palace Macao in Punta Cana.
Book through perx.com
Five star place on sale right now for $67 per person per night.
Spectacular beach and pools and watersports, etc. Superb dining. Top shelf liquor.
Free sailing (wife and I sailed every day)
Lots of Europeans there. The beaches are "top optional". Lots of topless Eurobabes. (and one American )

Only one downside. NOT much "night life" in Punta Cana. If you are looking to disco dance til 4 AM, Jamaica or Mexico are better. They do have a casino though. I played a lot of hold 'em while we were there.
Thanks Check. Sounds nice. I'll look into it.

Not worried about 0 night life. The wife & I are usually out by midnight, & thats without booze!
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I do not think that you can package the positions in a N v S box.
Don't even want to go there. This is a test for the union in my opinion.
Old 07-05-2010 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Buzz, as a northie, I see this particular situation as the final answer on scope issues for the future. Yes, I want scope. But if this issue which is in the contract in black and white is not enforced or leveraged to the full extent possible to get the most for the pilot group, then all scope is not worth the paper it is written on and I would be for NOT negotiating any scope in the future at a cost to the pilot group. If they get away with this, then Catie bar the door. This is a test gentlemen and the company is watching. I am watching the union!!!!!!! They better have their Ps & Qs together.
I agree completely Keenster.
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