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acl65pilot 07-28-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 846948)
Not sure if this was mentioned but, as far as reserve goes any thoughts to assigning 2-3 different type of reserve lines incorporating different amounts of short call days with respective to pay credit.

For example:
Currently we keep roughly 15-20 reserve pilots in any given category
(Just approximating here)
Each line incorporates 6 short call days.
(i.e. 90-120 short call days available to scheduling)

Essentially allow out of base reserve pilots to bid for Non-Short Call or Low Short Call Reserve Lines.

(5) 60 Credit Hours / 1 Short Call Day
(5) 65 Credit Hours / 3 Short Call Days
(5) 75 Credit Hours / 6 Short Call Days
(5) 80 Credit Hours / 8 Short Call Days

OR

(10) 65 Credit Hours / 4 Short Call Days
(10) 75 Credit Hours / 8 Short Call Days

The above lines still gives scheduling around 90 short call days to utilize reserve guys on a month. The above is just an example that might be a little complicated, but I think the general idea would benefit both commuters and in-base pilots.

My rationale is that some commuters pilots would be willing to take the hit on credit hours in exchange for less commutes to sit short call.

Just a thought.


The company side of that argument is that if they have "hard" or "pre-Bid" SC days they will have to assign trips out of order of the reserve stack. That violates the PWA. They will also argue that it will be harder to schedule reserves with "hard" SC days.
Best way to deal with this is LC and SC LOT's and or an organized system of when you will be on SC, or be assigned it. Bidding for SC days may be able to work, but there would probably be limits of no more than two in a row so that you do not wipe out an entire four to six SC's for the month if you get called out on a trip.
If we got a system like you describe there would be two to three times as many GS going on every day due to the lack of SC pilots. I like the idea, but it will not fly.

DeadHead 07-28-2010 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 846976)
The company side of that argument is that if they have "hard" or "pre-Bid" SC days they will have to assign trips out of order of the reserve stack. That violates the PWA. They will also argue that it will be harder to schedule reserves with "hard" SC days.
Best way to deal with this is LC and SC LOT's and or an organized system of when you will be on SC, or be assigned it. Bidding for SC days may be able to work, but there would probably be limits of no more than two in a row so that you do not wipe out an entire four to six SC's for the month if you get called out on a trip.
If we got a system like you describe there would be two to three times as many GS going on every day due to the lack of SC pilots. I like the idea, but it will not fly.

Just a thought, would probably be more complex while being difficult complying with the PWA.

At very least, it would be nice to see sometime of credit added to a reserve pilot's monthly credit for short call days.

Even offering up GS short call pick up days for in base pilots, or the ability to swap short call days with other reserve pilots dropping the short call credit time for one pilot and tacking it on the pilot picking up the short call.
As long as it doesn't cost the company any money or conflict with rotation/rest requirements, I think their is a chance it could work.

I doubt any of this would work while complying with the contract, and besides I think scheduling would be vehemently against any such changes. They seem to like the flexibility when working with reserves.

acl65pilot 07-28-2010 05:50 AM

That last sentence is the key. Doing these changes helps us not them. It is not a low cost item. The devil is in the details.

I have always liked a little credit for a SC period. It really is easy for the company too. I would say that in the slow months I get used 60% of my SC days an in the summer 100% of them. So if we scheduled SC better the credit for sitting SC becomes a non issue as it would never be paid if the SC pilots were used.

Little things that would make th SC system changes more likely would be harder limits on the ability to pull WS requests. Yep, they look at the standing ones before the assign SC. If you "forced" pilots to keep a WS request in for the balance of a day you may be able to get these changes. Point is that many of the pilots that are line holders are not going to want to agree to that for 11% of the pilot group that sits reserve.
This illustration is just one of many issues that make "Low or No" cost items very hard to implement. That is why the SOT will be able to "prove" or "Show" schedulers how to use certain ideas to benefit everyone.

sailingfun 07-28-2010 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 846966)
Nope. Care to enlighten us? I'm guessing something to do with status quo and picking up open time??

Tired of the slow progress in contract talks and poor manning of many categories a wildcat job action sprang up. Pilots refused to WS or GS. Only GS's with conflict were allowed so to speak under the action. It crippled the company within a few days. They quickly went to court and obtained a injunction still in place today. DALPA was ordered to due everything possible to end the job action and pilots were ordered by the judge to return to previous rotation pickup patterns. In addition the company individually sued 49 pilots for 1 million dollars each. They picked any pilots who had advocated a illegal job action on a web board or pilots who emailed other pilots advocating such a job action or suggested or participated in harrassment of pilots who picked up open time. Many of the 49's had large legal fees attempting to defend themselves. The company dropped the law suits as part of TA agreement with DALPA. Every time you log on to the DALPA weboard you have to read a court statement regarding advocationg illegal job actions to this day.

Of particular note, the Delta MEC reminds all pilots of the continuing requirement to comply with the decision of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. As you will recall, the court ordered that we may not engage in any activity, including Forum posts, which promotes illegal concerted activity. Please keep the following in mind when you elect to participate in the Delta MEC Forum.

*
With its January 2001 ruling, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals established the law for this circuit.
*
The court found:

o
ALPA had an affirmative duty, enforceable by injunction, to direct pilots to cease premature self-help.
o
The pilots' conduct violated the RLA provision imposing on carriers and pilots a duty to make and maintain agreements in a way so as to avoid any interruption to commerce or to the operation of any carrier.
o
If the union had lost control of its members and the members were operating contrary to the union's direction, other more severe remedies might be available to the court.

FlyinPiker 07-28-2010 05:58 AM

DCA & NYC Adds
 
D.C. stuff is interesting. Perhaps it's to make sure US Airways doesn't try and work a deal without us!


Delta Enhancing Domestic Schedules in Key East Coast Business Markets - Yahoo! Finance

Washington, D.C.
With its convenient location near central Washington, D.C., Reagan National Airport is the area's preferred airport for business travelers. On Oct. 31, Delta will launch new nonstop service from the airport to Hartford, Conn.; Columbus, Ohio; Jacksonville, Fla.; Orlando, Fla.; Miami, Fla.; Tampa, Fla.; and St. Louis, for a total of 21 new daily nonstop flights to Reagan National.
In addition, Delta's existing service from Reagan National to Boston will be expanded with five additional daily frequencies for a schedule of 12 flights each day, while Delta's service to Indianapolis will be expanded from two to three daily flights.
As part of the schedule realignment, Delta will be discontinuing service between Reagan National and Huntsville, Ala.
When the schedule upgrade is complete, Delta will serve 22 cities nonstop from Reagan National, compared with 16 in the fall of 2009.


New York
As previously announced, Delta this fall is continuing its expansion at New York's LaGuardia and JFK Airports as part of its efforts to grow in the nation's most competitive travel market. Beginning Sept. 7, Delta will offer new or expanded domestic service from New York to Nashville, Tenn.; St. Louis; Norfolk, Va.; Richmond, Va.; Kansas City, Mo.; San Antonio; Cleveland; Charlotte, N.C.; Orange County, Calif.; Baltimore; Montreal and Toronto. Routes will be operated from either LaGuardia or JFK airports. More details are available at http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&item=132.

FlyinPiker 07-28-2010 06:03 AM

From the guys over at Airliners.net
 
DCA-BDL 1x CR7 2x E75
DCA-CMH 3x E75
DCA-JAX 3x E75
DCA-MCO 4x M88
DCA-MIA 2x M88
DCA-TPA 2x M88
DCA-STL 4x E75
DCA-BOS will be going from all CR2 to 12x E75
DCA-IND willl be going all E75 from 2x CR2

All E75 flights will be on CP and the CR7 to BDL is on OH.


This definitely is targeted at Airways. Meddles with their FL routes, their BOS shuttle,and some other key markets. DL: "Help us get the slot swap done and we'll go away, till then...it's on!"

acl65pilot 07-28-2010 06:14 AM

We are going to use the slots we have in DCA. Might as well.....:D

capncrunch 07-28-2010 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 846948)
Not sure if this was mentioned but, as far as reserve goes any thoughts to assigning 2-3 different type of reserve lines incorporating different amounts of short call days with respective to pay credit.

For example:
Currently we keep roughly 15-20 reserve pilots in any given category
(Just approximating here)
Each line incorporates 6 short call days.
(i.e. 90-120 short call days available to scheduling)

Essentially allow out of base reserve pilots to bid for Non-Short Call or Low Short Call Reserve Lines.

(5) 60 Credit Hours / 1 Short Call Day
(5) 65 Credit Hours / 3 Short Call Days
(5) 75 Credit Hours / 6 Short Call Days
(5) 80 Credit Hours / 8 Short Call Days

OR

(10) 65 Credit Hours / 4 Short Call Days
(10) 75 Credit Hours / 8 Short Call Days

The above lines still gives scheduling around 90 short call days to utilize reserve guys on a month. The above is just an example that might be a little complicated, but I think the general idea would benefit both commuters and in-base pilots.

My rationale is that some commuters pilots would be willing to take the hit on credit hours in exchange for less commutes to sit short call.

Just a thought.

Really? You want to create a system where pilots only get paid 60 hours a month. GMAFB.

DeadHead 07-28-2010 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 846997)
Really? You want to create a system where pilots only get paid 60 hours a month. GMAFB.

It's just an example there champ, take it easy.

NWA320pilot 07-28-2010 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 846988)
That last sentence is the key. Doing these changes helps us not them. It is not a low cost item. The devil is in the details.

I have always liked a little credit for a SC period. It really is easy for the company too. I would say that in the slow months I get used 60% of my SC days an in the summer 100% of them. So if we scheduled SC better the credit for sitting SC becomes a non issue as it would never be paid if the SC pilots were used.

Little things that would make th SC system changes more likely would be harder limits on the ability to pull WS requests. Yep, they look at the standing ones before the assign SC. If you "forced" pilots to keep a WS request in for the balance of a day you may be able to get these changes. Point is that many of the pilots that are line holders are not going to want to agree to that for 11% of the pilot group that sits reserve.
This illustration is just one of many issues that make "Low or No" cost items very hard to implement. That is why the SOT will be able to "prove" or "Show" schedulers how to use certain ideas to benefit everyone.

The percentage of times someone is used on SC varies widely based on equipment. On the 744 we very rarely use guys that are sitting SC. I know this will jinx me but I have never been assigned a trip while on SC.


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