Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-13-2011 | 12:25 PM
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01-13-2011 | 12:32 PM
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If kittens never became cats then the world would be a better place.
I once read, totally off here, that during the plagues of the middle ages they often blamed cats as being the demonic evil doers that most American men associate them with being today.
So they slaughtered cats but had they not slaughtered the cats they would have had an animal who would've feasted on the rats that were actually carrying the plague. So without something to eat the rats the plague spread.
I swear I read this, a flight attendant did not tell me this. I'm sure if I made the effort I could find a reference.
Just imagine how much of this we could have avoided:
Shame.
I once read, totally off here, that during the plagues of the middle ages they often blamed cats as being the demonic evil doers that most American men associate them with being today.
So they slaughtered cats but had they not slaughtered the cats they would have had an animal who would've feasted on the rats that were actually carrying the plague. So without something to eat the rats the plague spread.
I swear I read this, a flight attendant did not tell me this. I'm sure if I made the effort I could find a reference.
Just imagine how much of this we could have avoided:
Shame.
01-13-2011 | 12:33 PM
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(Just ask the '91-'93 peeps.)If the management of your company doesn't tell you that they're going to order new airplanes, don't believe them. They're just mismanaging the place, or trying to manage your contract expectations, as the order will be placed afterwards....
Got it.
I posted before...we've got 34 DC-9's that are really old. In 2016 we'll have over 60 757's that are 25-30 years old. There'll be a bunch of MD-88's that can't fly NextGen and the early A320's that are over 25 years old. There'll be a bunch of 767's and ER's that are over 25 years old. The FAA just put out an AD on older 757's for fuselage stress. My bet is there'll be more rather than less of those technical issues as the airplanes get older.
In spite of what Scambo says, maybe we ought to encourage management to do a prudent fleet renewal. Maybe that's what they're telling you they're doing.
Wait, it's all about expectation management and the contract. Sorry, I forgot!
01-13-2011 | 12:37 PM
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You know what this means! 
cue music...
standby... got to find some appropriate music to honor the MD-88...
01-13-2011 | 12:40 PM
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Maybe?
The volume and title sure seem appropriate. And I hear people screaming... for joy.
The volume and title sure seem appropriate. And I hear people screaming... for joy.
01-13-2011 | 12:43 PM
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So if the management of your company tells you that they're going to order new aircraft, don't believe them. It's just a trick...
If the management of your company doesn't tell you that they're going to order new airplanes, don't believe them. They're just mismanaging the place, or trying to manage your contract expectations, as the order will be placed afterwards....
Got it.
I posted before...we've got 34 DC-9's that are really old. In 2016 we'll have over 60 757's that are 25-30 years old. There'll be a bunch of MD-88's that can't fly NextGen and the early A320's that are over 25 years old. There'll be a bunch of 767's and ER's that are over 25 years old. The FAA just put out an AD on older 757's for fuselage stress. My bet is there'll be more rather than less of those technical issues as the airplanes get older.
In spite of what Scambo says, maybe we ought to encourage management to do a prudent fleet renewal. Maybe that's what they're telling you they're doing.
Wait, it's all about expectation management and the contract. Sorry, I forgot!
If the management of your company doesn't tell you that they're going to order new airplanes, don't believe them. They're just mismanaging the place, or trying to manage your contract expectations, as the order will be placed afterwards....
Got it.
I posted before...we've got 34 DC-9's that are really old. In 2016 we'll have over 60 757's that are 25-30 years old. There'll be a bunch of MD-88's that can't fly NextGen and the early A320's that are over 25 years old. There'll be a bunch of 767's and ER's that are over 25 years old. The FAA just put out an AD on older 757's for fuselage stress. My bet is there'll be more rather than less of those technical issues as the airplanes get older.
In spite of what Scambo says, maybe we ought to encourage management to do a prudent fleet renewal. Maybe that's what they're telling you they're doing.
Wait, it's all about expectation management and the contract. Sorry, I forgot!
01-13-2011 | 01:11 PM
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If only there were another airline that had only 737's and newer ones to boot that had a presence on the west coast we would not have to worry about fleet renewal so much......if only!!!
01-13-2011 | 01:30 PM
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01-13-2011 | 01:36 PM
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Very interesting.
Airbus would offer, I'm assuming, the A321, A320 and A319. The problem is that the neo (new engine option/offer) isn't supposed to be available until 2016, which is a little outside the 2013 date. That's the efficiency they would want to buy. Cheaper to buy used A320s.
Boeing could offer the 737-900 as a 757 replacement (large narrowbody), and I guess the 737-800 as a medium narrowbody, and the 737-700 as the small narrowbody. Again, not very efficient, older technology.
Airbus would offer, I'm assuming, the A321, A320 and A319. The problem is that the neo (new engine option/offer) isn't supposed to be available until 2016, which is a little outside the 2013 date. That's the efficiency they would want to buy. Cheaper to buy used A320s.
Boeing could offer the 737-900 as a 757 replacement (large narrowbody), and I guess the 737-800 as a medium narrowbody, and the 737-700 as the small narrowbody. Again, not very efficient, older technology.
My money is on a large 320-family order split between early 321/sharklets and latter 320neo...
The 321/sharklets replace older 757 on transcon and Hawaii flying
The later 320neo in 2016+ will be a fleet renewal to replace the oldest 320s.
- The 321 with sharklets comes out this year.
- With the load alleviation software it has enough gain in MTOW to fly westbound transcons and do West coast Hawaii flying.
- With the current CFM the 321 with sharklets offers a 15%/seat improvement on fuel burn over the 757, that's huge.
Down the road you add the 32Xneo and there's an additional 12-16% burn improvement depending on PW1000 or CFM-LEAPX.
Airbus needs a big order for current 320 families to demonstrate the competitiveness of the current generation before the new 320neo series comes out in 2016...
As for Boeing, their current narrowbody designs are maxed out. The 737 reengining would be a band-aid solution, what Boeing really needs is an all new narrowbody jet. The current 737-900 doesn't have the legs to do transcons and doesn't offer the same utility as a 757 or an A321 with sharlets would...
Cheers
George
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01-13-2011 | 02:19 PM
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Very interesting.
Airbus would offer, I'm assuming, the A321, A320 and A319. The problem is that the neo (new engine option/offer) isn't supposed to be available until 2016, which is a little outside the 2013 date. That's the efficiency they would want to buy. Cheaper to buy used A320s.
Boeing could offer the 737-900 as a 757 replacement (large narrowbody), and I guess the 737-800 as a medium narrowbody, and the 737-700 as the small narrowbody. Again, not very efficient, older technology.
I am discounting Embraer as they only have the EMB-170 to EMB-195 series, which aren't big enough on the top end. They might offer the EMB-195 as a DC9-50 replacement. I think that would get kinda political whether Delta would want to fly that here.
Bombardier only has the C-Series at the top end, which could be on offer, as it enters service in 2013. But, the largest one holds 120-145 seats - likely they would use a two-class configuration which would be closer to the bottom end of seating. Same thing with the politics of flying the plane here vs a regional.
I don't think the Russian (Sukhoi Superjet 100) or Chinese (ARJ-100) airplanes have a chance. Little support and I wouldn't want to buy any manufacturers first airliners.
Airbus would offer, I'm assuming, the A321, A320 and A319. The problem is that the neo (new engine option/offer) isn't supposed to be available until 2016, which is a little outside the 2013 date. That's the efficiency they would want to buy. Cheaper to buy used A320s.
Boeing could offer the 737-900 as a 757 replacement (large narrowbody), and I guess the 737-800 as a medium narrowbody, and the 737-700 as the small narrowbody. Again, not very efficient, older technology.
I am discounting Embraer as they only have the EMB-170 to EMB-195 series, which aren't big enough on the top end. They might offer the EMB-195 as a DC9-50 replacement. I think that would get kinda political whether Delta would want to fly that here.
Bombardier only has the C-Series at the top end, which could be on offer, as it enters service in 2013. But, the largest one holds 120-145 seats - likely they would use a two-class configuration which would be closer to the bottom end of seating. Same thing with the politics of flying the plane here vs a regional.
I don't think the Russian (Sukhoi Superjet 100) or Chinese (ARJ-100) airplanes have a chance. Little support and I wouldn't want to buy any manufacturers first airliners.
They could get C-series in 2013 as DC-9 replacements...the first to go age wise
Then move to the 320/321 as 88/320 replacements...I know they didn't mention the 88 BUUUT!
As far as a bang up replacement for the 757???? I just don't think the 321 or big 73's is a viable option. That leaves some questions on the table for Boeing.
Cheers
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