Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-10-2011 | 07:04 AM
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The PWA defines SEA as not ever being a hub. In contrast LAX was specifically defined as a hub.
Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.
DELTA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 53, INTL 3.5
SLC DOM 81, INTL 2.7
SEA DOM 25, INTL 3
ALASKA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 16, INTL 11
SEA DOM 118, INTL 2
Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.
Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.
Cheers
George
Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.
DELTA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 53, INTL 3.5
SLC DOM 81, INTL 2.7
SEA DOM 25, INTL 3
ALASKA, departures (2010 average)
LAX DOM 16, INTL 11
SEA DOM 118, INTL 2
Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.
Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.
Cheers
George
George;
What do you (reasonably) expect your union to do about this?
08-10-2011 | 07:30 AM
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08-10-2011 | 07:32 AM
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08-10-2011 | 07:32 AM
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The PWA defines SEA as not ever being a hub.
In contrast LAX was specifically defined as a hub.
Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.
With about 53 departures in LAX Alaska is permitted to carry the Delta code on right around 13 departures/day....
Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.
Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.
In contrast LAX was specifically defined as a hub.
Alaska code on more than 25% of flights to hubs.
With about 53 departures in LAX Alaska is permitted to carry the Delta code on right around 13 departures/day....
Among the Alaska LAX international flying is the Delta Mexico flying that used to be covered by the 73N and is now covered by Alaska.
Alaska also is replacing 7ER flying to the Hawaiian islands from select cities.
From 2007-2011, Alaska decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 12.3%.
From 2007-2011, Delta increased International seats out of LAX, PDX and SEA by 46.9%. Delta more than doubled the size of the SEA pilot base. Delta did not furlough during this time. Alaska furloughed about 10% of their list. The last Alaska furloughee is scheduled to be recalled January 31, 2012.
As far as Hawaii flying, most passengers Delta carried to Hawaii from SEA and PDX were connecting from Alaska. As soon as Alaska got an airplane with the capability to go to Hawaii (737), that connection was dead. Jet fuel over $3 per gallon in a low yield leisure market doesn't help.
All this data was presented at the last C16 and C44 meeting.
08-10-2011 | 07:38 AM
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Looks like we're buying into AeroMexico to the tune of $65 million. We must have plenty of cash on hand.
08-10-2011 | 07:44 AM
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08-10-2011 | 07:47 AM
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Would be better to apply pressure along with everyone else and end that foreign Howard Huges wanna be experiment on its own. We could pick up whatever pieces we wanted then at fire sale prices with no SLI or even code share issues. Besides, they provide absolutely positively nothing of unique value to us other than maybe a small amount of Kennedy slots. BFD.
08-10-2011 | 07:49 AM
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Yep, 100%.
We have a very intelligent and diligent Codeshare Committee that is watching the company very closely.
This is why there is not RAH grievance.
This is why there is a Delta Private Jets grievance.
Weird. DALPA is doing exactly what you are asking for in this regard.
On a different note:
If you are asking our pilots to go back in time and undo the 1998 and 2000 contracts that the respective MEC's APPROVED and the PILOTS RATIFIED......
Going back and preventing the fuel run-up and bankruptcies..
Along with going back in time and keeping the original judge assigned to the DAL bankruptcy from being "recused" and replaced with a much less "labor friendly" judge.....
I don't know how to help get information on that.
We have a very intelligent and diligent Codeshare Committee that is watching the company very closely.
This is why there is not RAH grievance.
This is why there is a Delta Private Jets grievance.
Weird. DALPA is doing exactly what you are asking for in this regard.
On a different note:
If you are asking our pilots to go back in time and undo the 1998 and 2000 contracts that the respective MEC's APPROVED and the PILOTS RATIFIED......
Going back and preventing the fuel run-up and bankruptcies..
Along with going back in time and keeping the original judge assigned to the DAL bankruptcy from being "recused" and replaced with a much less "labor friendly" judge.....
I don't know how to help get information on that.
08-10-2011 | 07:52 AM
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From 2007-2011, Delta decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 4.9%.
From 2007-2011, Alaska decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 12.3%.
From 2007-2011, Delta increased International seats out of LAX, PDX and SEA by 46.9%. Delta more than doubled the size of the SEA pilot base. Delta did not furlough during this time. Alaska furloughed about 10% of their list. The last Alaska furloughee is scheduled to be recalled January 31, 2012.
As far as Hawaii flying, most passengers Delta carried to Hawaii from SEA and PDX were connecting from Alaska. As soon as Alaska got an airplane with the capability to go to Hawaii (737), that connection was dead. Jet fuel over $3 per gallon in a low yield leisure market doesn't help.
All this data was presented at the last C16 and C44 meeting.
From 2007-2011, Alaska decreased seats out of LAX, PDX, and SEA by 12.3%.
From 2007-2011, Delta increased International seats out of LAX, PDX and SEA by 46.9%. Delta more than doubled the size of the SEA pilot base. Delta did not furlough during this time. Alaska furloughed about 10% of their list. The last Alaska furloughee is scheduled to be recalled January 31, 2012.
As far as Hawaii flying, most passengers Delta carried to Hawaii from SEA and PDX were connecting from Alaska. As soon as Alaska got an airplane with the capability to go to Hawaii (737), that connection was dead. Jet fuel over $3 per gallon in a low yield leisure market doesn't help.
All this data was presented at the last C16 and C44 meeting.
Slow, since you bring it up, how did the EMA with Alaska prevent pilot furloughs at Delta?
Cheers
George
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08-10-2011 | 08:02 AM
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So how was it that the ALPA lawyers negotiated, wrote and approved such weak language in the first place? So weak that it wouldn't even cover the worn out "separate certificate trick" (SCT) that's been around for decades?
ALPA lawyers and negotiators have known for a long time about the elementary SCT, which is why Song had to be flown by Delta pilots and also why all these foreign JV's had to be approved....we already had language preventing the SCT. But when our scope was written in C2K, tweaked during the run on the bank in the mid 2000's and tweaked again for the SOC, somewhere in there the greatest legal minds in the profession, with the most experience, the most resources, the biggest war chests, the most talented clerical help and the most AMEX Black cards at their disposal managed to give us a clause that falls for the most basic scope end run arguably in airline history...the SCT...as if they never saw it coming.
ALPA lawyers and negotiators have known for a long time about the elementary SCT, which is why Song had to be flown by Delta pilots and also why all these foreign JV's had to be approved....we already had language preventing the SCT. But when our scope was written in C2K, tweaked during the run on the bank in the mid 2000's and tweaked again for the SOC, somewhere in there the greatest legal minds in the profession, with the most experience, the most resources, the biggest war chests, the most talented clerical help and the most AMEX Black cards at their disposal managed to give us a clause that falls for the most basic scope end run arguably in airline history...the SCT...as if they never saw it coming.
Heyas Gloop,
Not only that, but valuable scope protection was willfully jettisoned at the merger.
Before the JCBA, Compass could not be sold or otherwise divested until there was a DC-9 replacement aircraft on the mainline property.
That was essentially given away.
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