Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 7623

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LandGreen2 , 09-23-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

That's why we need to get the raises via work rules. Wall Street types and newspapers look for the quick quote, "15% over 3 years". But get the money in the work rules or retirement - they won't know what 4:30 vacation pay means or 5:15 min day. Or additional 5% in 401(k) contribution.

Exactly! Maybe we could come up with our own clever TFP rig like SWA has?

1 hour of work is equal to 1.3 or 1.4 TFP. Base our existing pay rate on the new TFP metric; add modest (Wall St friendly) increases, new min day and a few others??

#76222

redblueskies , 09-23-2011 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

On a different subject. There seems to be a lot of fingers pointed around on who would give up what during the contract negotiations. In particular, old guys don't want to rock the boat this close to retirement and young civilian guys have never made this much money and they'll never rock the boat.

I think when it comes to the young civilian guys you'd be surprised how many of them, despite making more than their previous job, have no problem walking off the job.

Yeah I don't understand that logic, especially considering most of the "younger" guys here who went civilian chose to do so at a time when that was the more lucrative path.

The military being the better career is a recent development and 99% of the people here made their career decisions before that was a reality. We literally probably have only a few hundred pilots who chose a civilian career after the civilian career fell apart.

#76223

forgot to bid , 09-23-2011 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Need to be on the Maynard Jackson "approved" list to start a biz there...

Don't tell my wife, but in regards to Pam, I did that.

I want you to go sit in the corner and think about what you did.

And that doesn't mean "think" about what you did, it means think about what you did wrong.

and that doesn't mean critique your performance, it means... I give up.

#76224

forgot to bid , 09-23-2011 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LandGreen2

How about a 20% cut in hourly pay?

But then paid by the duty hour? Make reserve 15 days on a month and min 10 duty hours per day.

#76225

Justdoinmyjob , 09-23-2011 04:49 AM

Looking for a laugh

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Just give the man a fist bump already for doing what we all wanted to do......

#76226

UncleSam , 09-23-2011 04:55 AM

Everyday is a weekend!

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

I don't know why everyone is putting so much emphasis on the opener.
I still think its even money that the union and management will agree to not even publish detailed "openers". As long as we're still operating under this "constructive engagement" thing there's not much to be gained by staking out extreme positions for public consumption at the start of negotiations. All that does is generate animosity.

Speculation:
Contrary to the popular consensus on the various web forums, I think its possible that the absence of militant rhetoric coming from our union is not necessarily a sign of weakness or any effort to manage expectations but may instead be a deliberate effort to see if all this Moak-inspired new age labor relations will work. They may be preparing to test management's sincerity in living up to the spirit of the Recovery Compact they signed.

The keyboard warriors, myself included, have been going on the assumption that there has to be a full scale battle. That a decent contract is not going to be possible until we're all out there marching in front of the airport, inflating the rat and burning scrap lumber in 55 gallon drums.
DALPA might be trying to break that paradigm. They've been at it for 5 years now. What makes us think they don't intend to continue it now that it really counts and test it right through the first few bargaining sessions? What if a low key approach leads to a good contract on or before the amendable date without all the drama? Is that unacceptable? Wouldn't that actually be preferable? Time value of money and all that.

The AA pilots tried the big opener with the radical rhetoric and the inflammatory attacks on their management. The result was less than spectacular. The NMB stiff-armed them and they have been forced to basically start over. Meanwhile, years go by. A politically savvy, well prepared, calm business-like approach might be worth a try.

Its ultimately gonna be up to Anderson. We can always shift tactics and pull out the torches and pitchforks if management refuses to pay us what we deserve and this thing drags into 2013.

I'm growing weary of the unsubstantiated claims that somebody's friend's brother overheard an unnamed ALPA rep at the 31 Flavors saying we can't get big gains in this contract. I'm not buying it.
We elected these guys, they know damn well we expect to be paid, and I think we're going to have to let them try it their way. And if you don't trust them and you think they're planning to sell us out then I've only got 2 words: Membership Ratification.

Sorry for the long rant. The football game got boring.

I'm an optimist I guess. (but I do have my pitchfork in the garage)

I think this man might be on to something. Great post.

#76227

DALMD88FO , 09-23-2011 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UncleSam

I think this man might be on to something. Great post.

This man is also NOT looking at the last 11 years of history. Pretty much Delta management has asked and we have given. I do not want the fired up beat your chest types either, however If you don't think management is going to fight for every little thing in contract negotiations then you are not living in reality.

#76228

CVG767A , 09-23-2011 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

How about a 20% cut in hourly pay?

But then paid by the duty hour? Make reserve 15 days on a month and min 10 duty hours per day.

That would be great for guys flying narrow body trips with a lot of legs every day, but wouldn't be such a good deal for the rest of us.

JFK-IST Block 10:25 Duty 12:25

10:25 X $188.00= $1958.96

12:25 X $150.40= $1867.97

#76229

scambo1 , 09-23-2011 05:28 AM

The Brown Dot +1

All that stuff I said about the market yesterday applies today too.

I dont want anyone to get a big haircut if stuff starts going south. Be proactive in your investments, not in denial.

do your own due diligence, this is not a recommendation to buy or sell anything, you are responsible for your own actions, all other possible disclaimers.

#76230

sailingfun , 09-23-2011 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO

You really missed a lot of things that happened in the last 11 years!!!