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Both narrow body fleets are flying pretty much at maximum line values and have been for the past six months. Even with the last dispalcement the flying has not diminished Exactly - there is considerable room to absorb staffing excess with lower ALV's here. We can all speculate about furloughs but one thing is certain. The amount of time and money required by management to dispense with furloughs is enormous. While I am not a koolaid drinker I do believe that the aggressiveness of our managment to be in a postion of advantage and capitalize on the next upswing in our cyclical business at a very fast pace is the sole reason we have not seen a furlough of pilots yet. |
Originally Posted by Selcall
(Post 626466)
Okay,
Here is my two cents and its just an observation. Both sides of the fence have too many people on widebody aircraft right now because of the cuts in international capacity. We have a inverse pyramind for a staffing model if you will. The situation is very fluid but I would surmise that another dispalcement bid will be coming out right after the final numbers on the PIRP are revealed. If enough people do not take the PIRP then the extent of the displacement will be extensive as the company readjusts the fleet to meet demand. Both narrow body fleets are flying pretty much at maximum line values and have been for the past six months. Even with the last dispalcement the flying has not diminished. We can all speculate about furloughs but one thing is certain. The amount of time and money required by management to dispense with furloughs is enormous. While I am not a koolaid drinker I do believe that the aggressiveness of our managment to be in a postion of advantage and capitalize on the next upswing in our cyclical business at a very fast pace is the sole reason we have not seen a furlough of pilots yet. It is going to become uncomfortable for a lot of us with being pushed down to other aircraft, being on reserve for infinity, but we may still be getting a check that says Delta Air Lines on it. I am still optimistic that the "f" word is not fully in play yet. Trying to stay positive and hoping everyone else does also. Selcall- You are right on with the overview of that meeting. They said more cuts are coming but there is no intention to furlough. Of course, they said it is always a possiblility. There was a staffing guy and a network guy with Steve at the meeting. They are going to basicaly right size everything for the short term to take advantage of the recovery which is supposedly starting 1 qtr of 2010. |
Originally Posted by Guard Dude
(Post 626508)
Steve Dickson & Co. had a lounge visit on June 4th that already said there is going to be a displacement in August after the PIRP. They did say it's size depends on how many take the early-out.
So you agree with Selcall. ;) |
Before we start packing our bags and lining up for food stamps:
1) As other mentioned, the ALV has some room to work with to alleviate some slight excess staffing this winter, 2) As nimble and fast responding as we're trying to be, that means we, as a company has to be adding/pulling flights in a responsible manner. Therein, this announcement. I truly believe we're doing a right thing in the long term. Look at the last few pulldowns, we weren't hesitating to take the hit now, rather than bleeding cash, riding it out, like our competitors. It's not easy to furlough/retrain people that fast, and therefore the dilemma. 3) The economy as a whole, at least in the public's perception has hit rock bottom. The recovery will be long, and costly (with more BK on the horizion), but with the 18-24 warm-up time we need to gear up for economy recovery, i'd like to put a tape recorder on the 4th floor! It should be some interesting conversation. Now head back into the sand. |
Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 626501)
Wait, you mean the last LOA we signed isn't gonna save our bacon???:)
Oh yeah, that's right! We've got a No Furlough Clause! SWEET! ;) :D |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 626514)
Oh yeah, that's right! We've got a No Furlough Clause! SWEET! ;) :D
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Originally Posted by Guard Dude
(Post 626508)
They are going to basicaly right size everything for the short term to take advantage of the recovery which is supposedly starting 1 qtr of 2010.
A recovery would be nice though!! |
Originally Posted by groundstop
(Post 626522)
I think no furlough clauses are pretty much a joke as well, but didn't a judge just uphold the DHL no furlough clause?
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Originally Posted by groundstop
(Post 626525)
Who is saying the recovery is starting early 2010? If Delta had people that could predict the economy, they wouldn't be working at Delta. Even the best minds are having trouble predicting what has happened, and what will happen.
A recovery would be nice though!! |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 626514)
Oh yeah, that's right! We've got a No Furlough Clause! SWEET! ;) :D
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