I know it happens all the time in SLC, but the controllers are actually following the correct procedures - the AIM is not giving bad information here.

They even give an example-

EXAMPLE-
1. A departure flight receives a clearance to destination airport to maintain FL 290. The clearance incorporates a DP which has certain altitude crossing restrictions. Shortly after takeoff, the flight receives a new clearance changing the maintaining FL from 290 to 250. If the altitude restrictions are still applicable, the controller restates them.

Seriously, If they want you to obey the hold downs, then they need to specifically restate them when they issue you a new altitude clearance.

Again, if you're not sure, ask - but this is standard ATC stuff so it's no wonder that the controllers might be a bit put off by pilots always asking them for clarification.

 

I like raw score. I like the fairness it presents because I think it provides a large % of the group with a high QOL whereas a seniority based system provides a much smaller % with nearly the same high QOL they'd gotten anyways.

At the beginning of the month we're all 0 and it's seniority based. No problem with that. If a pilot wants to go up 15 or down 15, have at it.

But this is the deal, I think for those sitting 50% or below which is the full or partial weekend crowd, they'll fly the same as they do now. I think for those sitting 50% on reserve who are the bottom or plugs of the weekends off crowd, they'll double their work and that may extend right up to the 25 percentile doubling their work.

Somewhere in the single digits they'll fly 0.

But it's all where the threshold is set as to how much is skewed from the middle to top to pay the very top. That's my angst. On ATL88B, I think 80 points is way too high.


I know the 88 flying will increase as we move through the year but they monkey with the numbers anyways. We had 110 on reserve in January, 75 in February. Where did the 35 go? 32 more lines, 3 disappeared probably with concrete shoes in the meadow lands.

What I see is if you could hold weekends off (50%-ish on reserve) you basically had the same QOL as the top 3% but you just flew earlier in the month. Now top 5% get the month off the remaining top 45% will work a lot more. Give or take %s. I'd rather have more getting more than substantially less getting it all - and it makes no appreciable difference then what they have now.

Hence, lower the bucket thresholds.

Or else....

underboob becomes undertestes.

 

Southwest Drive-By Posting -

For the sake of all, let's not speak of under-testes again.

 

Now THAT would be awesome!

 

You called my bluff.

That brings to mind this LJ:



it's not the most graphic, it just ends the best in this new TOS world.

BTW, I think I saw a picture of 80's wife holding a machine gun. 80?

 

Note to self: Next time, only load one chamber.

 

FtB,

I'm gonna wait to see how it all plays out, and I admit I had to skim all of you guys analysis on what you think is gonna happen with the new reserve changes. But, if your goal is to stay at home, I think you should be ok.

Here's how I look at it. The company and union saw a lot of people complaining about being forced to commute to reserve. These changes probably address those concerns by not allowing a difference of 1 point in RAW score to be the cause of someone who doesn't want to fly to have to fly when there is someone out there who want's to fly. Make sense? (I know, probably not. )

Ok. Maybe an example is better. Let's say you are a reserve pilot who lives in base and you want to stay at home. You've got a raw score of 0, but there is a guy who has to commute to reserve who has vacation at the end of the month, so he has a RAW score of 16. Both of you start your reserve days on the 1st, and a trip comes up for the second. (Of course, he's in base because he had to sit SC his first day.) He want's to get out of there because he burning up hotel expenses, or his crash pad buds are in town and they don't take baths, or something. Under the old system, even though he wants the trip to escape the funk, he can't get it, and he's stuck and unhappy, while you get the the trip that takes you away from home.

I'm thinking the buckets and increased seniority honoring provisions will even themselves out and allow people to fly when they want to based on seniority. If I'm on reserve and someone gets a trip I wanted because he's more senior to me, at least I know he wanted it and it's not a situation where he has to go fly and I have to sit in a hotel room just because of a point or two.

I think the changes assume that there are a certain percentage of people in every category on reserve who want to fly. For the people who want to stay at home, they should be able to do so, up to a point.

Well, that's how I see it.

New K

 

I'll concur, something is happening with reserve... category with 90ish people in it, last line holder went 9 lower than last month, and quite a few senior guys bid reserve in Feb. Can't think why, as nothing to stay home for but SBowl, and that can't be a bigger pull than Xmas and Thanksgiving. Let me bid 7 places higher than I did last month for PBS. I was surprised.

 

I agree New. I'm a junior line holder/senior reserve guy. Even though I live in base, I'd rather fly than sit SC (at least unti SC started counting for raw credit). I like the fact that my seniority will now allow me to pick up a YS and not be at the sole discretion of the scheduler, days available, etc. I've always believed that there was far too little insight into how SC and trips were assigned to reserves. At least to some degree, when I bid reserve now I have a little input into my schedule whereas in the past it seemed like a crap shoot. I'm going to wait and see how the buckets work out but the way I read the LOA it will change based on base and equipment. Let's let it play out a bit. At least we're moving in the right direction...and not stuck on stupid.

 

Ditto. I fly in and out of there all the time. I've learned to always ask. I've seen it play out both ways. Cleared to 350 but meet the hold downs. Also, cleared to 350 and altitude restrictions deleted. It's a violation waiting to happen. Some SLC controllers will clear the restrictions with the clearance, some won't. Gotta ask. Same with the speeds there.