Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-25-2012, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually, Johnso, IMHO, bringing smaller jets to the company and getting giddy is shortsighted. Do we want to become a regional carrier or do we want to play on the big playground? I understand where you guys are coming from. You are a product of the regionals. Yes, let us absolutely recapture our scope. But, no, let us not get comfortable with settling for that. Again, growing small is not growing big. We should shoot for growing big.
03-25-2012, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Look, first of all I called that rumor the weirdest for a reason, I think it is mostly unworkable, but with tht said: There are 2 aviation university programs that guarantee an interview at (the ASA wing of) expressjet. The new hire interview is (at least in large part) conducted by Delta (psych, cognitive, sim) at Virginia Ave, ASA pilots have, for a while, enjoyed most favored nation status at DAL when hiring fires up. Now, with DAL conducting a chunk of the interview, there are not a whole lot of pieces to put in place.
Sources: Multiple ASA pilots. Apparently they get this info from their flt ops chief at recurrent.
I know absolutely nothing else.
Sources: Multiple ASA pilots. Apparently they get this info from their flt ops chief at recurrent.
I know absolutely nothing else.
03-25-2012, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I copied this from the Foreign thread. It was in response to Pprune no longer accepting posts from Etihad (EY) crew. EY has been banned from Pprune.
I thought this post might prove instructive as we begin to get into negotiations.
That was ten months ago. The grooming guide was such a farce that it had to be mocked. The mistake was the author was named on the board and EY used that as an excuse to go after all posters on Pprune. They do not like ANY negative comments posted as it affects recruitment so Internet Brands, the owner of Pprune, was threatened with legal action and they rolled over and divulged the identities of all the posters EY thought had been a thorn in their side.
Nobody was fired, a few were called in for "tea and biscuits" with the chief pilot, warned and made to apologize. The implied threat made all active EY posters be really leery about Pprune so most stopped posting and those who kept on toned down their posts, a good source of information is no longer available. I was a regular poster but only posted factual, or what I though to be factual, information, both pro and con. I also answered many PM's about working here, which all in all is not a bad place. However Pprune is no longer a source for us to exercise due diligence when trying to decide where to work.
Internet Brands also owns APC and there is nothing to stop for e.g. Delta, Fedex, CAL etc from threatening IB with legal action, and you can bet they will not hesitate to hand over any of your email address and or identities.
I thought this post might prove instructive as we begin to get into negotiations.
That was ten months ago. The grooming guide was such a farce that it had to be mocked. The mistake was the author was named on the board and EY used that as an excuse to go after all posters on Pprune. They do not like ANY negative comments posted as it affects recruitment so Internet Brands, the owner of Pprune, was threatened with legal action and they rolled over and divulged the identities of all the posters EY thought had been a thorn in their side.
Nobody was fired, a few were called in for "tea and biscuits" with the chief pilot, warned and made to apologize. The implied threat made all active EY posters be really leery about Pprune so most stopped posting and those who kept on toned down their posts, a good source of information is no longer available. I was a regular poster but only posted factual, or what I though to be factual, information, both pro and con. I also answered many PM's about working here, which all in all is not a bad place. However Pprune is no longer a source for us to exercise due diligence when trying to decide where to work.
Internet Brands also owns APC and there is nothing to stop for e.g. Delta, Fedex, CAL etc from threatening IB with legal action, and you can bet they will not hesitate to hand over any of your email address and or identities.
If "they" don't already know who the major players are on here, I'd be very surprised.
03-25-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Look, first of all I called that rumor the weirdest for a reason, I think it is mostly unworkable, but with tht said: There are 2 aviation university programs that guarantee an interview at (the ASA wing of) expressjet. The new hire interview is (at least in large part) conducted by Delta (psych, cognitive, sim) at Virginia Ave, ASA pilots have, for a while, enjoyed most favored nation status at DAL when hiring fires up. Now, with DAL conducting a chunk of the interview, there are not a whole lot of pieces to put in place.
I am for that as long as we incorporate this into our hiring selection process:
Right Stuff - selection testing clip - YouTube
Scoop
Last edited by johnso29; 03-25-2012 at 05:26 PM.
03-25-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Scambo,
I am for that as long as we incorporate this into our hiring selection process:
Right Stuff - selection testing clip - YouTube
Scoop
I am for that as long as we incorporate this into our hiring selection process:
Right Stuff - selection testing clip - YouTube
Scoop
Last edited by johnso29; 03-25-2012 at 05:28 PM.
03-25-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
If "they" don't already know who the major players are on here, I'd be very surprised.
03-25-2012, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually, Johnso, IMHO, bringing smaller jets to the company and getting giddy is shortsighted. Do we want to become a regional carrier or do we want to play on the big playground? I understand where you guys are coming from. You are a product of the regionals. Yes, let us absolutely recapture our scope. But, no, let us not get comfortable with settling for that. Again, growing small is not growing big. We should shoot for growing big.
I think the problem with your argument is you assume a recapture of small jet flying necessarily comes at the expense of growing large jets.
I don't think having Delta pilots fly 70 seaters will cost us too many 777 orders. But, on the other hand, when we lobby for approval of slot swaps in LGA, and the company put's 70 seaters on the majority of the routes, we don't scream so much.
If you're worried about the pay, you should probably see by now, it's easier to control pay in negotiations, than it is to reel in scope. I'm willing to bet those 70 seaters have cost mainline pilots way more money than any cut we've ever taken in our pay-rates.
Finally, I think the main advantage of recapturing that smaller flying is we avoid the potential whip-saw between pilot groups whenever a new route is opened. Plus, it's some serious furlough protection.
Personally, I'd take every 70 seater we could get.
03-25-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Actually, Johnso, IMHO, bringing smaller jets to the company and getting giddy is shortsighted. Do we want to become a regional carrier or do we want to play on the big playground?
03-25-2012, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
No Sink, I'm not kidding. And, once again, I get it. What I am saying is that bringing smaller jets to the company is fine. It certainly behooves the junior guys. I'm not opposed to it, I actually applaud it. HOWEVER, if anybody thinks that it means we are thriving is sorely mistaken. We are a huge international airline. We pride ourselves on being the best pilots in the industry. And, in my opinion, we are. The company can't grow and WE can't grow if we don't aspire to build our WB fleet. I saw an Aeroflot 777 take off from LA last night on its way to Moscow. Do you know how many 777s we have? Frikkin Aeroflot? Which we now code share by the way. We are quickly becoming a ticket brokering regional carrier. Not what I have in mind.
Scope is not just small jet but all jet flying Dal engage in. It all matters.
03-25-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am sure they do., or least assume the know who most are.
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