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Old 02-17-2019 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Apologies for the ambiguity, I was referring to having 30+ years remaining before mandatory retirement and upgrading to WB CA within that timeframe, assuming no change to that statute as you mentioned.
If you were to get hired today, and retire in February of 2049 at age 65, and nothing dramatic changes the industry trajectory, you would probably retire as #700 or so, unless I did my math wrong. In other words, there are currently about 700 pilots younger than 35 currently on the list. That would mean you would probably get at least 2 or 3 years as a WB Captain before it was all over, and if you include our 757/767 Category, you could probably be captain on that for more than 10 years. Of course, by that time, those planes will be retired and we will have a different mix of airplanes, so you never know.

And if you live in or are willing to commute to NYC, you will get a few more years in that seat.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
If you were to get hired today, and retire in February of 2049 at age 65, and nothing dramatic changes the industry trajectory, you would probably retire as #700 or so, unless I did my math wrong. In other words, there are currently about 700 pilots younger than 35 currently on the list. That would mean you would probably get at least 2 or 3 years as a WB Captain before it was all over, and if you include our 757/767 Category, you could probably be captain on that for more than 10 years. Of course, by that time, those planes will be retired and we will have a different mix of airplanes, so you never know.

And if you live in or are willing to commute to NYC, you will get a few more years in that seat.
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Junior WB CA tends to float between 2500-3500 on the seniority list. We have about 14,500 total today with about 4000-5000 hired in the last five years with a similar number coming in the next few years. I think average age of new hires is 37. If you are younger than 35 when hired I'd say there is an excellent chance all things being equal.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
Junior WB CA tends to float between 2500-3500 on the seniority list. We have about 14,500 total today with about 4000-5000 hired in the last five years with a similar number coming in the next few years. I think average age of new hires is 37. If you are younger than 35 when hired I'd say there is an excellent chance all things being equal.
Excellent, Thank you.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
Junior WB CA tends to float between 2500-3500 on the seniority list. We have about 14,500 total today with about 4000-5000 hired in the last five years with a similar number coming in the next few years. I think average age of new hires is 37. If you are younger than 35 when hired I'd say there is an excellent chance all things being equal.
I would add the junior capt for a true widebody (765,330,777,350) is between 2500-3500. The junior 7ER (757/767) capt is around 7000-8000. That said once the ER is gone we will have to see what replaces it and where that seniority goes.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Keep in mind over the course of 30 to 35 years half the pilots senior to you will leave early for various reasons.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 09:54 AM
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Any updates on the SEA MEC chairman situation. Heard a nasty rumor that ALPA paid his salary in Feb and will again in March. Hard to tell since somehow his schedule is blocked. Did we not fight for and win a grievance to insure schedules would not be blocked?
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Old 02-17-2019 | 11:08 AM
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Any updates on the SEA MEC chairman situation. Heard a nasty rumor that ALPA paid his salary in Feb and will again in March. Hard to tell since somehow his schedule is blocked. Did we not fight for and win a grievance to insure schedules would not be blocked?
I think in the case of an investigation they’re making an exception.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
I would add the junior capt for a true widebody (765,330,777,350) is between 2500-3500. The junior 7ER (757/767) capt is around 7000-8000. That said once the ER is gone we will have to see what replaces it and where that seniority goes.
Curious why the 765 is a true widebody, but the 767 is not. Same width, similar destinations, mix of domestic and intl... Should we revisit the definitions now that the venerable 747 is gone?

I propose:
Super Premium Widebody - Cappuccino machine, Dual Crew
Premium Widebody - Normally over 12 hours, but no cappuccino
Widebody - International three pilot crews
Wannabe Widebody - Twin Aisle, Twin Pilot domestic and Hawaii is Domestic!!


The top of the 7ER list will likely end up on the 330, bringing that down a bit into the 4,000 range. The bottom of the 7ER will fill out the 320/73N categories as they grow.

Over the hypothetical 30 year career we are discussing, there will be more new airplanes like the 797 and retirements of just about everything currently in the fleet.
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Old 02-17-2019 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Any updates on the SEA MEC chairman situation. Heard a nasty rumor that ALPA paid his salary in Feb and will again in March. Hard to tell since somehow his schedule is blocked. Did we not fight for and win a grievance to insure schedules would not be blocked?
Ok SailingFud, what do your reps have to say about it?

I’m in contact with mine, and ALPA is NOT paying his salary.
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