daldude

You make me laugh.

It's all about perspective. Mine is that Delta has know problem furloughing and taking my pension.

Your perspective is obviously different. I guess had I not been furloughed for half of a decade and was currently a 767 captain I would have a different perspective. And in your defense the vast majority of captains I fly with are very happy. Except the one's that complain about it taking them 12 years to upgrade to captain, they are a little disgruntled.

I was simply trying to point out that any allegiance to Delta is wasted effort because Delta has know allegiance to you.

tsquare

Well that's just great. But some idiots seem to take everything as gospel and when it doesn't pan out that way try to blame.. oh, I don't know.. maybe their representation? for those woes.

tsquare

Yeah, they didn't take my pension.

My point is that here is a newhire (hopefully) that has shown that he will be happy to be here. And all you and guys like purpledrunk want to do is whizz in the man's Wheaties. Congratulations, you will foster a toxic workplace. I hope that will make you happy.

tsquare

In the first great furlough in the early 90s, I had my eye on other options. I sat sideways for 5 years, with 235 guys below me and I looked into the abyss for a big part of that time. I was fortunate to not have been furloughed, but the threat was there for a long time. I know stagnation too. I had 2 other part time jobs during that entire time, and either could have turned into full time jobs. That is not what this furball is about. This is about an enthusiastic newbie being shat upon by guys that are "disgruntled" because their expectations were not met. Shame on them.

ghilis101

I get what you guys are all saying, and I especially feel for all who lost their retirements, were harmed in an SLI, and just generally otherwise abused in this industry. I know what it's like to be undervalued. I just hit 8yr CA pay at my airline and I make the equivalent of 2nd year DAL narrow body FO pay. Is DAL my number one choice? It has to be, because their pay is improving and they called me for an interview. Once I'm in class, will I leave for another airline? No, I'm committed. I saw a lot of people jump ship in the 90s from airline to airline and it worked out for one 1 person (twa to aa). The legacies are soon to be all sitting in the same boat pay parity-wise, so really if you look at pilot-mgt relations, that puts DAL ahead of the others. Yes, I do realize I'm expendable. My chief pilot reminds us that all the time

Roll Inverted and Pull

To you and all the new hires...do not be concerned about the negative comments on this forum. Most of the negative commentators wouldn`t be happy if they received full pay and didn`t have to fly a trip. There is an old saying in the Marine Corps " A bytching Marine is a happy Marine", and by the way, Plato is Plato the 4th, not Plato jr., and his son is Plato the 5th.

Purple Drank

I actually like working here. But improvements can and must be made. I refuse to let complacent kook-aid drinkers such as yourself--crippled by risk-aversity--coast out, while letting the bottom fall out of the career in which I have multiple decades remaining.

I urge all new hires to enjoy the job, but realize improvements must be made. Don't let guys who "got theirs" like Tsquare lull you into a false sense of complacency.

scambo1

Ghillis,

You'll fit right in. Your only adjustment will be a decrease in trip quality...ymmv, you may love mad dog trips.

Good luck hope you get an invite to the suck.

ghilis101

Well said. There are plenty of areas where pilots can get improved pay and QOL and it still benefits the company (i.e. they still make record profits). I think the main problem is that a lot of people think by negotiating for better pay, benefits, and QOL, that they are hurting the company. This is not necessarily true, and it certainly is not true now. Economic research suggests that labor costs less of a percentage of operations costs than you might think. I am certain that ALPA sends you guys this data, I cant speak for DAL but at my airline its around well under 10%. We could get fedex pay rates tomorrow, and that number would still be under 10%, making all the pilots financially stable, and the company would still make tons of money. So I definitely do not buy that argument that people make when they say a pay raise will harm the company. Remember that contracts exist to protect and enhance the profession that we all worked so hard to build. I really do think the Flying the Line should be mandatory reading for every new hire, you shouldn't be allowed off probation without it

tsquare

The majority of your posts say otherwise.

That's ridiculous. You are just a whiner who wants to drag everybody down with you. Case in point, here comes a newbie that is talking about how much he wants to be here... and as an added bonus, it is OBVIOUS that this would not be his first rodeo, and right on cue you come in and rain all over his parade. What a joy you must be to share a cockpit with.

Oh, and I am far from "coasting out"... gonna remain senior to you for quite a few more years.. kiss kiss