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Old 06-06-2014 | 10:08 AM
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That is the old spreadsheet. Here is the link to the new one.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ab0pulc9n...20May%2014.JPG
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Old 06-06-2014 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by badgerned
That is the old spreadsheet. Here is the link to the new one.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ab0pulc9n...20May%2014.JPG
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Old 06-07-2014 | 04:12 AM
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Badgerned, are the breakdowns for the 16 June class accurate with 30 SSP and 20 OTS?

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Old 06-07-2014 | 05:13 AM
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Badger, rumor from guys in Jun 16 class is they won't get the drop until they show on the 16th due to glitches with the email process used for Jun 2.

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Old 06-07-2014 | 06:05 AM
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Folks waiting for class, here are some numbers for which to be prepared. Take with a grain of salt based on my earlier attempts at math in public.

New-hire salary through IOE: $3750/mo

Uniform: ~$500-550
- 3 different vendors ranging from ~$375-425 for a newhire package. One ($407) offers 5 shirts, the other 2 in the deal. I bought from Crew Outfitters and with an upgrade to their coolmax collar on the shirts, 3 extra so I wouldn't scare anyone out of the cockpit on day 5 of a trip, a new belt, and a zipper vs clip-on tie, it cost about $500 shipped home (no tax).
- Add in another $45 for hat pin, wings, and nametags
- $50-60 Navy SDB jacket you will get altered
- I already had plain black leather shoes

Lodging during sims:
- Hotels: ~$1600-$1700 (21 nights at $70-$75 + tax). If you've got a car, you can drop that by going a bit further away. There are a couple places a bit cheaper. Best rate with Breakfast in walking distance seems to be Fairfield Inn ($69ish + tax). Most have doubles available, so split it with your sim partner and you can cut this in half.
- Crash pad: $300-500 or more. They're booked pretty solid, but there are some available. I found one in walking distance for me and my sim partner.

Food and drink obviously extra. You're pilots... you'll find the discounts.

Don't buy a laptop just for training. Surface is on the way. If you have a Mac, they'll give you a full-up version of Windoze 7.

I'm Not complaining AT ALL - just thought some of you in the pool might want a good idea of how financially prepared you'll need to be.

As a comparison, JetBlue pays for the hotel all the way through initial training and provides uniforms (you can talk to a JB pilot about how that's going). However, new-hire pay is $1000/mo less. I figure it comes out about even, and then after training obviously two paths diverge into the woods.
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Old 06-07-2014 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
Folks waiting for class, here are some numbers for which to be prepared. Take with a grain of salt based on my earlier attempts at math in public.

New-hire salary through IOE: $3750/mo

Uniform: ~$500-550
- 3 different vendors ranging from ~$375-425 for a newhire package. One ($407) offers 5 shirts, the other 2 in the deal. I bought from Crew Outfitters and with an upgrade to their coolmax collar on the shirts, 3 extra so I wouldn't scare anyone out of the cockpit on day 5 of a trip, a new belt, and a zipper vs clip-on tie, it cost about $500 shipped home (no tax).
- Add in another $45 for hat pin, wings, and nametags
- $50-60 Navy SDB jacket you will get altered
- I already had plain black leather shoes

Lodging during sims:
- Hotels: ~$1600-$1700 (21 nights at $70-$75 + tax). If you've got a car, you can drop that by going a bit further away. There are a couple places a bit cheaper. Best rate with Breakfast in walking distance seems to be Fairfield Inn ($69ish + tax). Most have doubles available, so split it with your sim partner and you can cut this in half.
- Crash pad: $300-500 or more. They're booked pretty solid, but there are some available. I found one in walking distance for me and my sim partner.

Food and drink obviously extra. You're pilots... you'll find the discounts.

Don't buy a laptop just for training. Surface is on the way. If you have a Mac, they'll give you a full-up version of Windoze 7.

I'm Not complaining AT ALL - just thought some of you in the pool might want a good idea of how financially prepared you'll need to be.

As a comparison, JetBlue pays for the hotel all the way through initial training and provides uniforms (you can talk to a JB pilot about how that's going). However, new-hire pay is $1000/mo less. I figure it comes out about even, and then after training obviously two paths diverge into the woods.
This post disgusts me. We should take better care of our new hires. Most of our pilots are not in their 20's. Most of them have mortgages and families. This would be a huge hardship on me if I were starting today.
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Old 06-07-2014 | 06:49 AM
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The pool should be pretty close to empty by now. People who we're waiting for July - November classes have already been informed of earlier class dates including the May 19 to June 16 classes.

Delta originally wanted roughly 350-450 pilots for year of 2014. Now it has increased to roughly 800-900.

Reportedly for the next two months it's supposed to be 100 hires. Beginning in August 72 hires per month for the remaining of the year.

The goal is to send pilots straight to training without a pool. Also after the offer on the spot the push is for 2-3 weeks before class starts.

Some of the information may be off but it came from a good source.
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Old 06-07-2014 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
Folks waiting for class, here are some numbers for which to be prepared. Take with a grain of salt based on my earlier attempts at math in public.

New-hire salary through IOE: $3750/mo

Uniform: ~$500-550
- 3 different vendors ranging from ~$375-425 for a newhire package. One ($407) offers 5 shirts, the other 2 in the deal. I bought from Crew Outfitters and with an upgrade to their coolmax collar on the shirts, 3 extra so I wouldn't scare anyone out of the cockpit on day 5 of a trip, a new belt, and a zipper vs clip-on tie, it cost about $500 shipped home (no tax).
- Add in another $45 for hat pin, wings, and nametags
- $50-60 Navy SDB jacket you will get altered
- I already had plain black leather shoes

Lodging during sims:
- Hotels: ~$1600-$1700 (21 nights at $70-$75 + tax). If you've got a car, you can drop that by going a bit further away. There are a couple places a bit cheaper. Best rate with Breakfast in walking distance seems to be Fairfield Inn ($69ish + tax). Most have doubles available, so split it with your sim partner and you can cut this in half.
- Crash pad: $300-500 or more. They're booked pretty solid, but there are some available. I found one in walking distance for me and my sim partner.

Food and drink obviously extra. You're pilots... you'll find the discounts.

Don't buy a laptop just for training. Surface is on the way. If you have a Mac, they'll give you a full-up version of Windoze 7.

I'm Not complaining AT ALL - just thought some of you in the pool might want a good idea of how financially prepared you'll need to be.

As a comparison, JetBlue pays for the hotel all the way through initial training and provides uniforms (you can talk to a JB pilot about how that's going). However, new-hire pay is $1000/mo less. I figure it comes out about even, and then after training obviously two paths diverge into the woods.
Good informative post. The Entry Level Pilot pay is currently $3775.04/month until completion of IOE. Then you go to $68.08/hour.
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Old 06-07-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This post disgusts me. We should take better care of our new hires. Most of our pilots are not in their 20's. Most of them have mortgages and families. This would be a huge hardship on me if I were starting today.
I would also like to see us improve this.
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Old 06-07-2014 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 14Kayr
The pool should be pretty close to empty by now. People who we're waiting for July - November classes have already been informed of earlier class dates including the May 19 to June 16 classes.

Delta originally wanted roughly 350-450 pilots for year of 2014. Now it has increased to roughly 800-900.

Reportedly for the next two months it's supposed to be 100 hires. Beginning in August 72 hires per month for the remaining of the year.

The goal is to send pilots straight to training without a pool. Also after the offer on the spot the push is for 2-3 weeks before class starts
.

Some of the information may be off but it came from a good source.
This is historically how DAL handled hiring/training in other high(er) volume hiring periods. Get the interview process and training pipeline geared up and when its running on all cylinders, pump 'em through.

So, good source or not, I think your post is on the money. If it needs to be said, this is incredibly good news for guys in the pool or already hired - seniority is everything.
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