Originally Posted by tunes

this might be able to help
Pilot Relative Position

Originally Posted by Prowler

Any gouge on how long it would take a new hire to bid ATL A320, and how long until they could hold a line there (assuming picking NYC A320 at indoc)?

Originally Posted by tunes

this might be able to help
Pilot Relative Position

Originally Posted by LoiterPilot

Lot of guys in the front row actually took 88 spots. FWIW...

Originally Posted by Twister

So is DAL leadership intentionally screwed up (as in intentional lying, in your opinion) or is it just typical bureaucratic red tape miscommunication)?

I guess the gist of my question is, how much do you trust DAL leadership (doesn't sound like very much) and why?

Originally Posted by Darkhorse

Below is a copy of a previous post of mine on a different forum to give you some insight on the leaderships mentality.

Let me tell you how much Delta and CP's care about you and your family. I had a family emergency involving my 1yr old child three hours before the start of short call. The Doctor instructed me to call an ambulance and have my child taken to the closest childrens hospital. I Called the CP and he was so concerned and helpful that he removed me from short call without pay. Lost about 5hrs of pay and went to 69hrs for the month. Do you think if someone in management had a family emergency and couldn't go to work they would be docked a days pay? Turns out if you are based in LAX, SEA, or MSP state law requires them to use your sick leave to pay you. But if you are based in ATL Delta will be happy to save money on the back of your family emergency. I spoke with ALPA and they said contractually nothing can be done but the CP has the authority to make sure you are still paid. All of the Delta family crap is just that a bunch of propaganda. If the contract allows it they will do it. All of the new guys on here tell me if this treatment is inline with what you are told in indoc? I think you will able to answer the original question for yourself.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

It's just bureaucratic buffoonery within most management levels. With one or two vindictive individuals mixed in with the usual office politics. Nothing different than any other large conglobomegacorporation. Or the government. Been doing 121 flying going on 21 years. Been through Allen, Mullins, Grinstein, and now Anderson. Worked in management for an ACMI cargo carrier while furloughed. I've seen things man, I've seen things.




Wow. I've had three family emergencies while at Delta, one while in SAO, and the company bent over backwards to help me, every time, even offering solutions that I never even considered. One option they have to pay you is to use the value in a vacation week. The downside to that is when you get to that vacation, the credit time is still used for bidding, but for pay it isn't. I just picked up trips or GSd the few months before.

Originally Posted by Darkhorse

That's interesting I wasn't offered any other options or solutions. Not to mention I was on short call and turns out they didn't even use one person. The individual I spoke with at the union told me he is seeing this kind of treatment more frequently and assumes it is direction from higher up. Very disappointing. What a terrible situation to put someone in during a family emergency; Do I lie and call in sick so i get paid or tell the truth and lose pay. Neither outcome is going to help your stress level especially during an emergency.

Originally Posted by Bright Side

3 of us with June 23 CJOs got emails yesterday for the Feb. 8 class.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

Honestly, I would call in sick to initially get the ball rolling in removing yourself from any obligation, then follow up with the CP office to have them recode the absence. Skeds doesn't need to know why you aren't available, just that you aren't available.

Originally Posted by Darkhorse

I wonder if that would have changed the outcome. I never actually called Scheduling I only spoke with the Chief Pilot he was not an FOM.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

It's just bureaucratic buffoonery within most management levels. With one or two vindictive individuals mixed in with the usual office politics. Nothing different than any other large conglobomegacorporation. Or the government. Been doing 121 flying going on 21 years. Been through Allen, Mullins, Grinstein, and now Anderson. Worked in management for an ACMI cargo carrier while furloughed. I've seen things man, I've seen things.