johnso29

Right. So where's that proof again? Nice back pedal there Carl.

Alan Shore

And you "know" this how?

tsquare

He doesn't. It is typical made up Spackler fertilizer. The sad thing is that he also knows that it cannot be dis-proven either, so he'll get a pass from those that buy into his crapola.

Carl Spackler

Because at the road shows, the responsible MEC administrators and NC members said exactly this to people who advised voting no. They said it was the best we'll get, and any return to the bargaining table would likely result in a worse deal, the NMB wouldn't back us, and the company has a Plan B to do what they wanted without us...and we wouldn't like that plan B. Those same administrators who post here said the same thing here.

That's how I know.

Carl

FIIGMO

A must watch on netflix for anyone dependant on a union in order to support their families. It does not matter your political affiliation, it is about our futures, so the fixed news crowd, don't worry I pray at a totally different church so save it.....

But Inequality for All, is a must watch documentary for C2015....


Fire away....

Alan Shore

Really? They said they simply accepted what was passed across the table to them? I don't think so. At least, that's not what they said at the roadshow I attended.

That's the part that I heard too. So, exactly what else would you expect your negotiating agent to say? How would you feel if he said he had just struck a deal on your behalf for whatever reason that was NOT the best you could get? Why would he strike such a deal?

johnso29

So once again, you have NO proof that negotiating did not occur. The NC stating that the TA accepted was the best deal that they could get in no way proves that negotiating never occurred.

Carl Spackler

Good morning my liberal friend! What was your take away from the documentary? Should we Delta pilots try to get unionized or not?

Carl

Carl Spackler

The truth Alan, and that's what used to happen years ago. The NC would never come back parroting company talking points. If I was the NC chairman I would have said: "the company is not even negotiating. They want us to accept a substandard deal that does not meet the pilot's survey and they're demanding reductions in profit sharing which the reps have specifically rejected. They're now threatening to use their Plan B against us if we don't vote yes. I recommend this company proposal gets sent out to the pilots for a vote with a NO vote recommendation from the NC and the full MEC."

That's what I would have done. That's the way it used to be done, but we never operated under the one way hallucination of "constructive engagement."

See above. You don't strike the deal. You tell the company you demand actual negotiations...not bad faith "our way or the highway" ultimatums. If there's still no movement, you send the proposal out to the pilots for them to decide.

That's bottom-up control in my view.

Carl

tsquare

Which means that you would blatantly lie to your constituency.

And there comes a time when negotiations are done. Unfortunately, it is not always on your terms. But your former NC were clearly badazzes, that forced it's will on the former management that you suffered under, right. GMAB Carl.