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Old 07-07-2015 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
It is not a great deal by any stretch. It doesn't suck as bad as some of you are saying. It's close to being acceptable and it's close to being not.
This, in the best negotiating environment in industry history. 5 times more profitable than last time with a third the debt too.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
That is a very juvenile view of the stock buyback. Contrary to what many on here believe, the world does not revolve around us.

And if it goes down, you lose the raise, and for those that want "restoration" it is further away. There are tradeoffs in voting yes, and tradeoffs in voting no. Neither option is a clear winner
Actually, Bloomberg Radio had the exact spot today. IBM, Xerox and Disney have the above mentioned metric for their CEO's. Two analysts discussed the exact earnings per share programs at those companies. Taking money to buy back stock is a conflict of interest, but legal and practiced quite widely. $6 billion of stock is being bought back at Delta. For what reason?
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Old 07-07-2015 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I am still deciding, believe it or not. It is not a great deal by any stretch. It doesn't suck as bad as some of you are saying. It's close to being acceptable and it's close to being not.
For crying out loud tsquare would you stop already. You were a YES voter on day one. You've done nothing but defend that position since.

Tsquare the fence sitter.

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Old 07-07-2015 | 05:23 PM
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In my own personal opinion, corporate greed in America is getting completely out of control...it is obscene if you actually pay attention to the numbers and care anything about QOL for the middle and upper-middle class. That being said, this is the first time I've felt like I was part of a group who could actually make an impact or at least a meaningful statement on this condition.

I hope a majority of the voting members have the courage (because yes, there is risk in doing so) to vote no.

Management has every reason in the world to bring us all along up the earnings ladder, THEY just need the courage to do so and trust that we offer exceptional ROI (because we do).

RA simply has to understand that a few bad apple sick-abusers, and some occasionally irritating exploitation of OE trip buy-offs are not worth souring relations with the masses and completely losing pilot buy-in of his business model. My greatest fear is that no matter how the vote goes, management's overreach and DALPA's weakness have already caused irrevocable and significant harm. With decades at Delta ahead of me, I certainly hope this isn't true.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
. $6 billion of stock is being bought back at Delta. For what reason?
I would say that since they are paying 1/4 of the profits to the employees in bonuses, the activist investors/hedge fund managers/institutional investors, you know, the owners, are wondering where their cut is. Just a guess.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
And I cannot believe some of you are so emotionally driven as I have seen on here.
T,
This is our workplace we are talking about. Our jobs. We are people. I have studied this thing, thought about it, pondered scenarios, talked at length to,roadshow guys, scope chair, fmr negotiator, reps. This thing is not fence sitting material.

No is the only possible vote for me. I believe I see around the corner. I I believe know what's next. Is that emotion? Is that reason?

All intel has flaws. Study the intel, go with your gut on the best plan.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I would say that since they are paying 1/4 of the profits to the employees in bonuses, the activist investors/hedge fund managers/institutional investors, you know, the owners, are wondering where their cut is. Just a guess.
What?

So we buy back stock?
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
T,
This is our workplace we are talking about. Our jobs. We are people. I have studied this thing, thought about it, pondered scenarios, talked at length to,roadshow guys, scope chair, fmr negotiator, reps. This thing is not fence sitting material.

No is the only possible vote for me. I believe I see around the corner. I I believe know what's next. Is that emotion? Is that reason?

All intel has flaws. Study the intel, go with your gut on the best plan.
I was on the fence for a long time for c2012 and ultimately voted no. This one is an easy no for me. No emotion.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
For crying out loud tsquare would you stop already. You were a YES voter on day one. You've done nothing but defend that position since.

Tsquare the fence sitter.

Carl
You are a narcissist, and I'm not interested in arguing with you anymore. Have a nice wallow in your misery.

And actually I was a hard no on day one but you wouldn't believe that anyway, and I couldn't care less. Your opinion is as meaningless as the mosquito I just squashed.
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Old 07-07-2015 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
T,
This is our workplace we are talking about. Our jobs. We are people. I have studied this thing, thought about it, pondered scenarios, talked at length to,roadshow guys, scope chair, fmr negotiator, reps. This thing is not fence sitting material.

No is the only possible vote for me. I believe I see around the corner. I I believe know what's next. Is that emotion? Is that reason?

All intel has flaws. Study the intel, go with your gut on the best plan.
You were not one of the ones I was referring to here Scambo.
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