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09-06-2014 | 05:12 AM

#1541

tsquare

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

I'm opposed to out-of-base swaps, but I'd be okay with out-of-base straight pickups as long as there was some amount of minimum time (5 days, for example) it had to be on the swap board before an out of base guy could pick it up.

We already have this. OOBWS

09-06-2014 | 05:16 AM

#1542

Dirtdiver

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Funny, but I am totally against OOBS for individual trips.

+1

Out of base flying is a show stopper for me. I've missed green slips several months this year when the out-of-basers bailed scheduling out when they ran out of reserves. When we're fat on reserve, I get that these guys are doing the short call pilots a favor by covering a trip, but they don't pay any attention to when we're out of SC pilots. That costs those of us in base green slips, plus kills any motivation for the company to add positions.

There's already too much shenanigans going on with the pilot to pilot board. It's the new trip parking. Don't open it system wide.

09-06-2014 | 05:17 AM

#1543

nwaf16dude

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Originally Posted by tsquare

We already have this. OOBWS

Not quite the same. Re-read my post. Not talking about WS.

09-06-2014 | 05:26 AM

#1544

Alan Shore

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Originally Posted by tsquare

We already have this. OOBWS

That's picking up out of open time, and not off of another pilot's schedule. Even if the other pilot has a QPD in for his trip, the QPD goes away 48 hours prior to report, which is always earlier than a pilot could pick it up via OOBWS.

09-06-2014 | 05:30 AM

#1545

scambo1

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My opinion only. Far 117 changed the way pilots should be thinking. For example, picking up to the fars at straight rates bones another pilot out of a greenslip. There is only one reason to pick up at straight pay and that is to get to the greenslip trigger. Every cockpit on every flight should have this discussion.

09-06-2014 | 05:34 AM

#1546

Alan Shore

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

I'd be okay with out-of-base straight pickups as long as there was some amount of minimum time (5 days, for example) it had to be on the swap board before an out of base guy could pick it up.

Agreed. That's the main reason that I support OOB swaps. It helps guys drop trips that they could not otherwise get out of.

09-06-2014 | 05:37 AM

#1547

scambo1

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

Agreed. That's the main reason that I support OOB swaps. It helps guys drop trips that they could not otherwise get out of.

The dreaded capped reserve days.

09-06-2014 | 05:40 AM

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Alan Shore

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Originally Posted by scambo1

While I agree with your line of thinking, that barn door was opened in LOA 46, long before FAR 117. I noticed that the survey question on automatic premium pay above a certain trigger included an option to do this together with a pickup limit that would apply to all non-GS flying, similar to the old NW system.

That idea sounds as though it would keep guys from going up to FARs prior to GS, while giving us 1.5 pay for the time between the trigger and the pickup limit. Would that ultimately help staffing by reducing the amount of time we can pick up before reserves, or would it hurt staffing by encouraging more guys to pick up above the trigger?

09-06-2014 | 05:42 AM

#1549

scambo1

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Speaking for myself only and projecting it on others, it would encourage picking up above the GS trigger, thereby reducing required staffing.

09-06-2014 | 06:00 AM

#1550

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore

I'm clearly missing something. You all want to fly trips out of that base. You'd all be very senior in that base. Tell me again why you don't want to bid to that base? What else is there besides seniority and good trips?

It doesn't matter why you don't actually want to bid the base. The point is that working as a bidding mafia currently limits you to mining your own base's flying, but OOBS leave it wide open to mine other bases' flying. OOBWS isn't quite good enough for those people, because it limits them to the WS pick-up limit.

Now they want to get down with OPF.