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09-25-2014 | 05:59 AM
#2272
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09-25-2014 | 06:02 AM
#2273
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Correct, but I think that 5% may be a pretty big if. No idea for sure, though, and any manning savings generated by pay banding (should the pilot group want to go down that road) could readily be offset by increases to vacation, ADG, etc.
It was, but not nearly as big as giving up the cap.
I assume you mean pay hours, not block hours?
The only effect that allowing vacation to be pay, no credit has on manning is that it reduces reserve and/or GS flying, which reduces required staffing in future months. It does affect manning, but that effect is by no means huge.
Not at all. The more that reserves fly, the more pilots are required under the staffing formula. It does, however, have the potential to reduce GS/IA flying.
Same here as with vacation being pay, no credit.
Correct, but I think that 5% may be a pretty big if. No idea for sure, though, and any manning savings generated by pay banding (should the pilot group want to go down that road) could readily be offset by increases to vacation, ADG, etc.
It was, but not nearly as big as giving up the cap.
I assume you mean pay hours, not block hours?
The only effect that allowing vacation to be pay, no credit has on manning is that it reduces reserve and/or GS flying, which reduces required staffing in future months. It does affect manning, but that effect is by no means huge.
Not at all. The more that reserves fly, the more pilots are required under the staffing formula. It does, however, have the potential to reduce GS/IA flying.
Same here as with vacation being pay, no credit.
As I said before, where I'm at today, it won't affect me at all, but go about half way down the list, that starts to add up to more stagnation for F/O's looking to upgrade and for new hires, well, you'd better get used to being on the bottom, when all the 747 pilots start raining down on you, while we are giving even more manning concessions with pay banding.
R.E. the 'we can mitigate it with increasing the vacation day' theory. No, you can't, unless you also stop allowing guys to pick up more flying in every vacation month.
Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.
Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.
09-25-2014 | 06:02 AM
#2274
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09-25-2014 | 06:07 AM
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^^^I'd still like to see LTD bumped a little bit, while retaining the DC contribution. I have a newhire classmate who was recently diagnosed with diabetes (in his late 30's). That extra 5% would probably mean more to him than the 15% that he can get to in 30 years.
09-25-2014 | 06:12 AM
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All those little things add up to less manning required, obviously. That is my point.
Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.
Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.
Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.
Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.
09-25-2014 | 06:14 AM
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Good info. So, the long-term accrual piece was never an incentive NOT to call in sick? What was your monthly accrual rate? I'm wondering where I'd be now under that system with my past sick usage unchanged.
09-25-2014 | 06:20 AM
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Interesting. I didn't realize they don't get the DC. Thanks for the elaboration.
^^^I'd still like to see LTD bumped a little bit, while retaining the DC contribution. I have a newhire classmate who was recently diagnosed with diabetes (in his late 30's). That extra 5% would probably mean more to him than the 15% that he can get to in 30 years.
^^^I'd still like to see LTD bumped a little bit, while retaining the DC contribution. I have a newhire classmate who was recently diagnosed with diabetes (in his late 30's). That extra 5% would probably mean more to him than the 15% that he can get to in 30 years.
09-25-2014 | 06:25 AM
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In addition at UAL profit sharing is not pensionable as it is at Delta. This means that while they get 16% verses 15% at Delta our effective rate is higher and we get more cash toward retirement. All these little things that are often misunderstood are why Delta's pilot cost are industry leading.
09-25-2014 | 06:37 AM
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