Details on Delta TA
06-07-2015 | 10:56 AM
#5991
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
This document is available on the Delta MEC website, https://dal.alpa.org. Click through the Negotiations Banner.
Contrails 17
June 7, 2015
Patience
Today is the third day since your Negotiating Committee concluded a tentative agreement (TA) with the company. Our representatives are still in the process of assessing the agreement, discussing its details with negotiators, subject matter experts, and each other. Rumors, innuendo and misinformation sprout like weeds in the public arena during contract season, and particularly when we arrive at a TA.
The reason our governance calls for the TA to be in the MEC’s hands for seven days, is to give them time to review the details and truly think about how all the pieces fit together, what the value of the agreement looks like, and what are their other alternatives should they choose to disapprove the TA and not to send it to you for your ratification.
And the difficulty for our members, for you, is that the tentative agreement is not released until the representatives discuss it in open session. But again there is a reason we do business this way. The representatives have been deeply invested in this process for over a year now. They directed and guided the process and now the result is before them. You, on the other hand, have not witnessed the collation of your input, the debate on the pilot’s wishes, the direction to the negotiators, the many updates from the negotiators, the re-direction, the financial analysis, the NMB briefings, and the many, many proposals that have been exchanged back and forth between the Company and your union.
This deliberation period between reaching a TA and the actual MEC vote on whether to approve the TA or disapprove, is invariably being filled with speculation and increased activity on various public websites, and most of that filler will be negative. We assure you, that when this TA is discussed in open session, you will be given an immediate update with facts in bullet point format along with communication pieces with the TA details. Until then, we can only ask for your patience and understanding, with the knowledge that you have the final say on any agreement that the MEC passes your way by exercising your vote in membership ratification.
Air Line Pilots Association, International
Contrails 17
June 7, 2015
Patience
Today is the third day since your Negotiating Committee concluded a tentative agreement (TA) with the company. Our representatives are still in the process of assessing the agreement, discussing its details with negotiators, subject matter experts, and each other. Rumors, innuendo and misinformation sprout like weeds in the public arena during contract season, and particularly when we arrive at a TA.
The reason our governance calls for the TA to be in the MEC’s hands for seven days, is to give them time to review the details and truly think about how all the pieces fit together, what the value of the agreement looks like, and what are their other alternatives should they choose to disapprove the TA and not to send it to you for your ratification.
And the difficulty for our members, for you, is that the tentative agreement is not released until the representatives discuss it in open session. But again there is a reason we do business this way. The representatives have been deeply invested in this process for over a year now. They directed and guided the process and now the result is before them. You, on the other hand, have not witnessed the collation of your input, the debate on the pilot’s wishes, the direction to the negotiators, the many updates from the negotiators, the re-direction, the financial analysis, the NMB briefings, and the many, many proposals that have been exchanged back and forth between the Company and your union.
This deliberation period between reaching a TA and the actual MEC vote on whether to approve the TA or disapprove, is invariably being filled with speculation and increased activity on various public websites, and most of that filler will be negative. We assure you, that when this TA is discussed in open session, you will be given an immediate update with facts in bullet point format along with communication pieces with the TA details. Until then, we can only ask for your patience and understanding, with the knowledge that you have the final say on any agreement that the MEC passes your way by exercising your vote in membership ratification.
Air Line Pilots Association, International
06-07-2015 | 11:05 AM
#5992
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I sent out a similar letter. Please guys and girls let them hear it. It was not us who said it had to be historic it was md and the mec. Our reps said they will not stand for a contract similar to 2012. I reminded them of that fact. We all should too.
06-07-2015 | 11:06 AM
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Were the previous 16 Contrails signed?
I think this is part of the como package that DALPA set up as part of the contract negotiations so all the whiners couldn't say that they were never included in any of the "process".
No info = they are secretive
info = they are secretive
No black helicopters in this one.
06-07-2015 | 11:10 AM
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Were the previous 16 Contrails signed?
I think this is part of the como package that DALPA set up as part of the contract negotiations so all the whiners couldn't say that they were never included in any of the "process".
No info = they are secretive
info = they are secretive
No black helicopters in this one.
I think this is part of the como package that DALPA set up as part of the contract negotiations so all the whiners couldn't say that they were never included in any of the "process".
No info = they are secretive
info = they are secretive
No black helicopters in this one.
If the TA returns the highest increased value ever achieved in a Delta pilot contract would you consider that historic?
Note: I know basically nothing more about the TA then is posted here. Just curious how you define historic.
06-07-2015 | 11:17 AM
#5995
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News flash.
You are going to be disappointed.
You want a contract that is all take and no give. Has that ever happened in any union contract in any industry?
I'm ok with some giving if the take is worth it. It's all in the details.
We will know soon enough.
06-07-2015 | 11:22 AM
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I was thinking about profit sharing.
Profit sharing is inflation proof.
As the value of what the dollar can buy decreases each year profit sharing amounts should automatically increase based on the cost of relative air travel increase due to inflation.
If you follow this logic then any monetization of profit sharing should account for a 3% increase each year.
Profit sharing is inflation proof.
As the value of what the dollar can buy decreases each year profit sharing amounts should automatically increase based on the cost of relative air travel increase due to inflation.
If you follow this logic then any monetization of profit sharing should account for a 3% increase each year.
Carl
06-07-2015 | 11:33 AM
#5998
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"The reps are deeply invested in this process...
You, on the other hand..."
Its kinda funny actually. The inartful phrasing.
We know he didn't mean it the way it sounds. (I hope)
Our Comm Chair writes pretty well. But this patience missive and his quick reaction piece following the Council 1 Update were a bit... let's say .. overdone.
He could benefit from an editor.
06-07-2015 | 11:43 AM
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The company wants to lower PS for pilots so more money diverts to the thousands of other employees; particularly the ready reserves. Why do you think there was an early PS payout last year? The 1300 hour limit for RR was enacted 10/1/13-9/30/14 and many of them reached the limit and didn't have income coming in. Also, the 3% raise for ready reserves amounts to $.36 an hour. Imagine the anger from RR employees if their PS checks are smaller!
06-07-2015 | 11:47 AM
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That was my reason for voting 2012 as a No. Once we open the door it's hard to shut. Here we are now, 4 years later, and they are asking for more RJ's. I'm VERY surprised that aren't asking for E-190's and dangling that carrot. I'm fine w/ 190's as long as WE are flying them.
Baja.
Baja.
AA and CAL used to own all flying over 50-seats.
UAL owned all flying over 70 seats and they were not unlimited as per the DALPA sales job of C12, they were tied to block hours and referred to as jumbo RJs.
DL was the first to break the 90-seater loose on the scale it is today. And we are going to do it AGAIN for C15.
Everyone needs to read Section 1. SEA is NOT a hub and never will be if that section doesn't get changed. LAX is exempted from hub to hub flying wrt the Alaska marketing agreement.
If you are SEA, LAX, SLC or MSP section 1 should be a no-go for you. I realized gains from the movement in SEA and LAX all the way on the other coast. I went from barely a NB line holder to solid intl line holder bc of that growth. So yes, EVERYONE should care about scope.
And when has the company not pushed the limits or blatantly violated the contract? Trust should be out the door.
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