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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
Why did we give up anything in his contract?
Because Richard said we had to...

Questions?

None!

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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's a single layered perspective- the fact is, when it comes to bidding that one man's garbage is another man's treasure.

In doing so, by pulling trips out of the pot, you're actually affecting 100% of the FOs, not just the ones that target LCA trips.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sounds
That's the Vocal minority fallacy though. Happy and content people don't write in at all. You have take stock of those who do call in and consider the ratio of the silent voices and the voices of whatever was in the pilot survey (which is statistically way more accurate than the the consensus on APC).

It's the same way you vote for senators, and other political figures. You vote for the person to make judgement calls, you don't vote for how they vote. I'm not saying that's the best way to go about it, but that's how it's done.
So you are assuming that a silent voice is a Yes vote? That's quite a leap!

What if some of that silence is all the pizzed off former DALPA supporters who have just plain given up on DALPA EVER saying NO to anything?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's a single layered perspective- the fact is, when it comes to bidding that one man's garbage is another man's treasure.

In doing so, by pulling trips out of the pot, you're actually affecting 100% of the FOs, not just the ones that target LCA trips.
Why any F/O would vote Yes to this thing is beyond me.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
What if some of that silence is all the pizzed off former DALPA supporters who have just plain given up on DALPA EVER saying NO to anything?
What if some of those emailing in are all the pizzed off former DALPA supporters who have just plain given up on DALPA EVER saying NO to anything?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
Is this true? How in the world would someone get a doctors not for something from 3 years ago? Where did you read this?
From the chitchat forum. But someone here said it's not true. Hard to pin it down but I'm getting a bad vibe in some of the finer details.

And just in general too. DALPA Facebook posts deleted and blocked. Facebook rating deleted. Members receiving phone calls from ALPA attorneys. And some of the latter things I mentioned have nothing to do with the TA facts.

Disturbing.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's a single layered perspective- the fact is, when it comes to bidding that one man's garbage is another man's treasure.

In doing so, by pulling trips out of the pot, you're actually affecting 100% of the FOs, not just the ones that target LCA trips.
You are correct. Let's say pilot 1 wants trip A. Trip A does not get awarded because it is with a LCA. Pilot 1 now has to get trip B. Pilot 2 wanted trip B and would have received it under the old contract but must now settle for trip C. It continues down the line so it affects all pilots in a category.
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sounds
That's the Vocal minority fallacy though. Happy and content people don't write in at all. You have take stock of those who do call in and consider the ratio of the silent voices and the voices of whatever was in the pilot survey (which is statistically way more accurate than the the consensus on APC).

Since I WAS one of those happy and content people before this TA came out, I'm guessing there are a lot more like me that are calling/emailing their reps when they never did before. Also, silence is not consent. It's, well it's silence. Maybe they are out of the loop for whatever reason like on vacation.

It's the same way you vote for senators, and other political figures. You vote for the person to make judgement calls, you don't vote for how they vote. I'm not saying that's the best way to go about it, but that's how it's done.
You vote for someone who you think has the same values you do. Someone who you believe has good judgment. Part of good judgment and representing your constituents is to take there input and give it value. How can you give value to no input?

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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:48 PM
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What should I search for on FB to find the TA discussion?
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Old 06-10-2015 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
You are correct. Let's say pilot 1 wants trip A. Trip A does not get awarded because it is with a LCA. Pilot 1 now has to get trip B. Pilot 2 wanted trip B and would have received it under the old contract but must now settle for trip C. It continues down the line so it affects all pilots in a category.
Bingo. The 250 pilot thing is more astute analysis in an echo chamber... not real world.
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