Class dates being pushed back
12-16-2018, 06:55 AM
#62
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Well, considering you’re a CFI and not an airline executive I’m not really surprised you don’t know why.
You may be wondering why youd get such a dismissive garbage reply, as pictured above, for a genuine question. You see, some of our pilots are more defensive about bad news than even our executives. PotatoChip is just angry about something, perhaps he tied some personal value to continued growth, and now he realizes Delta doesnt really favor us over other carriers, they just tell us that to make us act special. Maybe he realizes all the "negative people" were just realistic. Maybe his hope is tied to continued growth.
In any event, this is just some pilots way of blowing off steam.
We got suckered again, its getting old, but Delta isnt furloughing so for those of us lineholders its easy street for the next couple quarters.
12-16-2018, 07:12 AM
#64
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
dodsqubam:
You may be wondering why youd get such a dismissive garbage reply, as pictured above, for a genuine question. You see, some of our pilots are more defensive about bad news than even our executives. PotatoChip is just angry about something, perhaps he tied some personal value to continued growth, and now he realizes Delta doesnt really favor us over other carriers, they just tell us that to make us act special. Maybe he realizes all the "negative people" were just realistic. Maybe his hope is tied to continued growth.
In any event, this is just some pilots way of blowing off steam.
We got suckered again, its getting old, but Delta isnt furloughing so for those of us lineholders its easy street for the next couple quarters.
You may be wondering why youd get such a dismissive garbage reply, as pictured above, for a genuine question. You see, some of our pilots are more defensive about bad news than even our executives. PotatoChip is just angry about something, perhaps he tied some personal value to continued growth, and now he realizes Delta doesnt really favor us over other carriers, they just tell us that to make us act special. Maybe he realizes all the "negative people" were just realistic. Maybe his hope is tied to continued growth.
In any event, this is just some pilots way of blowing off steam.
We got suckered again, its getting old, but Delta isnt furloughing so for those of us lineholders its easy street for the next couple quarters.
I’ve been furloughed and have seen airlines I’ve worked for disappear. I don’t tie any personal value to growth of this company. Nor do I think we are any more special than Comair was.
Instead, I’m tired of pilots with zero managerial experience, let alone top level executive experience of multi-million (hundreds of millions) dollar contracts pontificate about how things should be done. None of us like it when management (VPs, DOs, HR) presume to tell us how to fly; same thing applies. I may not be happy with a decision, or lack thereof at their level, but I won’t presume to understand all of it.
12-16-2018, 07:34 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
Anyone who thinks Delta favors us is a fool. We are all expendable at best.
12-17-2018, 06:48 AM
#67
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
That’s a reasonable assumption, but you’d be wrong. I’ve seen BAD management and lies and deception. Endeavor isn’t it. Yeah, it sucks we aren’t continuing to grow, but that’s on Delta. I’m genuinely happy to be here, and wish I would have come here sooner. True, I have usual gripes (reserve, not flying, layover locations), but all in all, we are still in a pretty decent spot. To those considering 9E, I’d tell them to consider other regionals, but not to discount us, because we only have what appears to be a short term problem.
I’ve been furloughed and have seen airlines I’ve worked for disappear. I don’t tie any personal value to growth of this company. Nor do I think we are any more special than Comair was.
Instead, I’m tired of pilots with zero managerial experience, let alone top level executive experience of multi-million (hundreds of millions) dollar contracts pontificate about how things should be done. None of us like it when management (VPs, DOs, HR) presume to tell us how to fly; same thing applies. I may not be happy with a decision, or lack thereof at their level, but I won’t presume to understand all of it.
I’ve been furloughed and have seen airlines I’ve worked for disappear. I don’t tie any personal value to growth of this company. Nor do I think we are any more special than Comair was.
Instead, I’m tired of pilots with zero managerial experience, let alone top level executive experience of multi-million (hundreds of millions) dollar contracts pontificate about how things should be done. None of us like it when management (VPs, DOs, HR) presume to tell us how to fly; same thing applies. I may not be happy with a decision, or lack thereof at their level, but I won’t presume to understand all of it.
12-17-2018, 07:06 AM
#68
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
That’s a reasonable assumption, but you’d be wrong. I’ve seen BAD management and lies and deception. Endeavor isn’t it. Yeah, it sucks we aren’t continuing to grow, but that’s on Delta. I’m genuinely happy to be here, and wish I would have come here sooner. True, I have usual gripes (reserve, not flying, layover locations), but all in all, we are still in a pretty decent spot. To those considering 9E, I’d tell them to consider other regionals, but not to discount us, because we only have what appears to be a short term problem.
I’ve been furloughed and have seen airlines I’ve worked for disappear. I don’t tie any personal value to growth of this company. Nor do I think we are any more special than Comair was.
Instead, I’m tired of pilots with zero managerial experience, let alone top level executive experience of multi-million (hundreds of millions) dollar contracts pontificate about how things should be done. None of us like it when management (VPs, DOs, HR) presume to tell us how to fly; same thing applies. I may not be happy with a decision, or lack thereof at their level, but I won’t presume to understand all of it.
I’ve been furloughed and have seen airlines I’ve worked for disappear. I don’t tie any personal value to growth of this company. Nor do I think we are any more special than Comair was.
Instead, I’m tired of pilots with zero managerial experience, let alone top level executive experience of multi-million (hundreds of millions) dollar contracts pontificate about how things should be done. None of us like it when management (VPs, DOs, HR) presume to tell us how to fly; same thing applies. I may not be happy with a decision, or lack thereof at their level, but I won’t presume to understand all of it.
It's natural for guys to be speculating for answers when we got left this high and dry. Some of these new guys are doing what a lot of first and second year FOs are doing, trying to figure out if a number in line at American is better than waiting for more bad news.
With all that said, I'd echo there's no reason to discount endeavor. The company has been in worse positions and through weird market changes we've suddenly fallen into a perfect spot. It could happen again. Easy to say when I'm not on the bottom or a reserve pilot.
12-17-2018, 07:08 AM
#69
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Originally Posted by jetlag q
Curious as to how 9e chose the applicants to push back.
Of the folks pushed back how many applicants are restricted atp.
Feel free to drop a reply.
Of the folks pushed back how many applicants are restricted atp.
Feel free to drop a reply.
12-17-2018, 07:20 AM
#70
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Which is why I and many others here have made sure to draw a clear line of difference between edv management and dal management.
It's natural for guys to be speculating for answers when we got left this high and dry. Some of these new guys are doing what a lot of first and second year FOs are doing, trying to figure out if a number in line at American is better than waiting for more bad news.
With all that said, I'd echo there's no reason to discount endeavor. The company has been in worse positions and through weird market changes we've suddenly fallen into a perfect spot. It could happen again. Easy to say when I'm not on the bottom or a reserve pilot.
It's natural for guys to be speculating for answers when we got left this high and dry. Some of these new guys are doing what a lot of first and second year FOs are doing, trying to figure out if a number in line at American is better than waiting for more bad news.
With all that said, I'd echo there's no reason to discount endeavor. The company has been in worse positions and through weird market changes we've suddenly fallen into a perfect spot. It could happen again. Easy to say when I'm not on the bottom or a reserve pilot.
Maybe I’m just hopelessly optimistic however.
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