KSCessnaDriver

Remember, every month this gets drug out, opens up roughly 50-60 people to vote. Votes which, my guess, would be 3-1 for a yes.

Bartok

Too many people just see the hourly rate.

gojo

Maybe everyone should take a step back and wait for the TA. There's way too much to speculate on now

Bartok

That's just the deal, too many times people only look at the hourly rates and disregard all the soft money.

I love the attitude that some people think they can make the company (Delta) do anything through some sort of stand strong action.

Delta doesn't play and they only have us here because it's good for their bottom line, when it's not they will go in a different direction as quickly as you can say Comair.

We get what we can now. If the market dictates we incrementally get more.

Never going to teach Delta any sort of lesson.

Ever.

Slaveaway

I don't see this new TA being finalized by September, like originally planned. Thoughts?

Delta is already "Comairing" ASA. I think in the near future, Delta needs us. Long term, sure they can shift the flying around. The ball is in the pilots court. It'll be a tough sell if there are no other gains in other areas of the contract.

gojo

Like originally planned? I think I first heard May. I believe they wanted it done before the September bonus

Slaveaway

I wrote that wrong. Yes, it was originally planned for May. Then they pushed it to September, and I have my doubts a complete TA will be out before the September bonus.

greenroute

If you are on reserve right now making 75 hours a month on first year captain pay that's $54,000 a year, plus your bonus = $77,000.

If the bonus gets integrated at 83 hours then that's $23 an hour on top, but if you only make min guarantee your pay goes down to $74,783. Percentage wise it's not huge for a captain but that is a $2200 pay cut. That is a lot of money to make up in soft pay. Even if you end up with an extra $1000 a year in healthcare benefits, an extra 0.5% on your 401k, it's not worth it.

I will vote no to anything that results in a cent less pay for anyone on property. There is lots of open time right now but there is no guarantee that will be around forever and an 83 hour base screws over everyone who is a new hire, bids a more senior base (MSP), or upgrades and goes back on reserve. Unless of course they raise min guarantee to 83 hours.

HighFlight

Last year, a new FO made $50,000 min guarantee. This year, that same pilot will make $52,970, while a new hire makes $57,270. If the 83 hour pay rate goes into effect, the 2-year FO makes $50,760 min guarantee. That's a $2,200 loss in pay this year, and only $760 more then he made the first year.

As a pilot over 45, what is more attractive to me than a pay cut here or even a flow are lifetime flight benefits at an AA WO that aren't lost if one does flow to AA. 5 years here and 5 years at DL equals nothing in the way of flight bennies.

HighFlight

ENY, PDT, TSA, PSA GoJet... Just off the top of my head.