Green Needles

Exactly. Why any pilot would support a pay rate that allows for a cut for any other pilot is beyond me.

TalkTurkey

So basically here is what's going to happen. More bickering will occur but when the vote is out, I am guessing a YES vote will prevail due to most pilots getting pay in excess of 83 hours monthly. But mainly, the YES vote will fly because for most its a big increase in pay. Over 50 percent (opinion) get way more than 83. As indicated earlier, people will vote to what suits them personally. No one wants the motherluvin bonus to expire because that will cause stagnation and downgrades, etc. Or maybe that will cause a flow, who knows. But seriously I am seeing a yes vote by a landslide.

Five93H

Correct

Correct

Correct. When all said and done, nobody will end up 'behind' except people who stick to arbitrary terms and definitions to suit their point.

Agreed. Why are we dividing ourselves?
Hat v No hat
CJO v non CJO
Old folks v 'millennials'
9E v XJ v 9L
200 v 900

I enjoy every crew I work with and swap jets with. No need for BS bickering. Unproductive, unhelpful, divisive.

We don't need to split ourselves apart. Whatever contract being developed will not be perfect, but one never is. I have 100% faith in our negotiators. There isn't something that 100% of our group will support. Bear in mind market rates, hiring occurring, etc. I'd love Delta 900 rates, but that's not happening.

Look at other contracts being signed and pay rates industry wide. (Thanks for walking up to the bar, looking at it, and turning around OO) Proposed rates would put us double digit percent above competitors.

That's all folks.

Kforekyle

The union has to protect the interests of every single pilot. A pay raise for every pilot on property with NO exceptions! The union should not, I repeat not propose anything less. I agree that if they come out with a number that benefits most but not all it will have a chance of passing, but that would be 100% wrong and I will not vote yes.

msprj2

Put aside your childish notions
There is one pie, everyone gets a slice, everyone doesn't get their own pie

If you want more pay, you get less 401k, less sick, less vacation.
Everyone here can credit more than 75 if they want
If you choose a base, AC, seat
That won't that's on you

Kforekyle

Childish notions??? How can you even argue with my statements. I've been in this business and with this company long enough to know what we should be asking for. How long of you been in this business and with this company just curious. Childish, I think not. you sir are an idiot.

Mesabah

The company doesn't want to give a pay cut to some pilots, also the bonus is a cash expenditure, hourly has an effect on the bottom line. Hourly pay also reduces profit sharing at the mainline, whereas bonus money does not, since Delta has a multi-billion dollar cash pile.

Yumyum

The hat discussion needs to go. If you want to wear your hat...wear your hat and tell your CA to blow smoke. Regarding pay....After that turd we swallowed years ago...the new pay proposal better be legit. I speak for myself...but unless there are big gains....my vote is NO. The market dictates our pay. We are in high demand, therefore I will not settle for mediocre improvements.

gojo

Might've been easier if Skywest pilots had negotiated better. Or even at all

WhiskeyKilo

Only been here for over a year and I'm with everyone else. Unless there are big gains then it's a no vote from me as well. No one deserves a pay cut.