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While it is coincidental to the TA coming in I think these issues we’ve been seeing (firebreaks, fifth OOOI etc.) have little to do with the TA. In other words I think we would’ve seen these things anyway had the TA been voted down. The factors that these operational changes are trying to fix have existed long before the TA signing and I don’t recall there being contract language pre-TA that restricted the company from firebreaks and fifth OOOI. Correct me if I’m wrong.
And for the record I’m not saying this as a company parrot/kool-aid drinker.
And for the record I’m not saying this as a company parrot/kool-aid drinker.
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It's fine.
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
Those of us that understand the question won't have a problem.
It's those guys who just blindly accept the "continue to log block time" mantra that could find themselves crosswise.
Let's say this whole 5th OOOI time works EXACTLY as well as the Company thinks it will, and therefore you have days where you're blocking 10 or 11 hrs a day. Are you going to put 10 or 11 hours of FLIGHT TIME in your logbook? (Which would show you violating an FAR?) Let's say you do, and you find yourself at a major airline interview, or across from an FAA inspector for a check ride and they ask you... "How could you have logged 11 hrs of 121 flight time in a day?" Now you're in an awkward position where you have to say "well that's block time not flight time..." but the column is labeled flight time... and the interview or the check ride is over at that point....
If you know you've made the choice to log block not flight time, then if someone notices and complains, you will have brought that upon yourself. If a guy has no idea it's even a question and blindly accepts the continue how you have been then that sucks for him and it'd have been nice to warn him about the choice he's making.
All that said.... HighFlight- you've been logging flight time all along?? How did you track pushback to forward motion before yesterday??
You'd better get over to Delta quick and help us reinvent 121.
Do you actually work for any airline? Endeavor or otherwise?
You thought of applying to tech pubs? I dont come in here much anymore but i should come in for laughs more often.
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Concerned about following the rules and not logging more flight time than allowed by the regs.
Completely ridiculous.
My bad.
Move along.
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Seriously, I'm over it. I'll log the new flight time because that's what my logbook imports and I'm not going to change it to block, I'm guessing the Company actually WILL use flight time for all their regulatory purposes and life will go on.
I did learn a valuable lesson out of this though, if I've got a legitimate question that I'd like other guys input on, don't ask here, it will end with them telling you to read a memo that doesn't clarify and at 3 internet loudmouths calling you crazy.
I've got an early report tomorrow, can we put this to bed now?
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Was thinking about this....what about outstations tou dont push out of? CWA, VLD, BQK...etc. maybe a prolonged forward rotation also triggers it
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We did get a notice the other day that they stopped tracking it on the 200 due to some issue...possibly related to this. The only airport on the 900 I’ve seen in my limited time where we didn’t push back was BMI.
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Yep saw the memo. Figured there would be some hurdles to make this all work out
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I was thinking of making a new Reddit ID and posting there.... is that not going to work?? Surely there's a 121 sub reddit. Or maybe I can make one just for this!!! Ooo I'm so excited now.
Seriously, I'm over it. I'll log the new flight time because that's what my logbook imports and I'm not going to change it to block, I'm guessing the Company actually WILL use flight time for all their regulatory purposes and life will go on.
I did learn a valuable lesson out of this though, if I've got a legitimate question that I'd like other guys input on, don't ask here, it will end with them telling you to read a memo that doesn't clarify and at 3 internet loudmouths calling you crazy.
I've got an early report tomorrow, can we put this to bed now?
Seriously, I'm over it. I'll log the new flight time because that's what my logbook imports and I'm not going to change it to block, I'm guessing the Company actually WILL use flight time for all their regulatory purposes and life will go on.
I did learn a valuable lesson out of this though, if I've got a legitimate question that I'd like other guys input on, don't ask here, it will end with them telling you to read a memo that doesn't clarify and at 3 internet loudmouths calling you crazy.
I've got an early report tomorrow, can we put this to bed now?
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